Summary
In today's episode, I explore whether you can remove specific data from AI models and why direct approaches like fine-tuning mostly fail. Here's what this means for you. You'll discover why external guardrails outperform any attempt to alter the model itself. You'll also learn these concepts: how model pairing acts like a quality-assurance supervisor that catches bad outputs, how low-rank adapters work like browser extensions that add capabilities without altering the base model, and why these techniques form the foundation of most modern AI agent architectures.
Key Takeaways
- You'll learn why trying to remove information from an AI model resembles unbaking a cake because internal weights form an interconnected web where any single change damages surrounding patterns.
- You'll discover how low-rank adapters let you add capabilities to an AI model without modifying the base model itself, functioning much like browser extensions or Photoshop plug-ins.
- You'll see how model pairing creates a QA-style supervisor that reviews the foundation model's output and sends problematic responses back for revision, forming the architectural backbone of modern AI agents.
- You'll explore why model pairing roughly doubles your compute and financial costs and adds a speed penalty, yet dramatically reduces harmful outputs for public-facing applications.
- You'll understand that even with the best guardrails, you can never guarantee an AI model's output stays completely free from bias or harmful content, though you can reduce the probability to extremely rare occurrences.
Full Transcript
In today's episode, let's answer the the fairly common question of can you remove data from an AI model? Suppose an AI model knows something that it shouldn't. How would you remove it? How do you unbake a cake? Right?
Um it comes to generative AI and language models in particular. There are a lot of people who are correctly concerned about what's in the models. There's absolutely some amount of things like hate speech in there. There's tremendous amounts of bias. There's piles of information that's irrelevant most of the time.
And that's because these models are trained on us, on humanity, on content on the internet that comes from human beings. And not all it's good. Not all of it is great, and some of it's pretty darn right downright terrible. So how do you deal with that? How do you suppose you wanted to remove that?
Maybe you're building a chat bot and you're like, oh, I don't really want this model to know anything like racist language. How do I remove it? It's really tough to do that. It's like unbaking a cake. Many people turn to approaches like fine-tuning or obliteration to alter the contents of the model itself.
This is largely an exercise in futility. And it's not because the intent is bad, the intent is very good, but it's a the it's a futile exercise because inside of an AI model, if you were to pry it open, is a vast network, a huge set of spiderwebs of statistics, of numerical relationships interwoven and dependent on each other, like a house of cards almost. Trying to remove some of them is akin to trying to remove, you know, the take a take a dessert like this, right? And this has peanut butter on the out on the outside of the pretzel. Try try and imagine, ah, you know what?
I don't like peanut, but I'm gonna try and remove it from this this dessert. Like that's not gonna go well. Or removing the poppy seeds from a multi-grained cracker. Yes, you you could do it. You could take each pretzel with a knife and a scalpel and start scraping all the peanut butter off.
It will take you an enormous amount of time. It'll be a lot of effort. And what you'll be end with left with at the end of the process may not be usable. It certainly will not look like this. In the open models community, this becomes apparent when people try to uncensor a model to reduce the number of uh refusals a model gives when you ask it to do something that it doesn't want to do that.
It's been uh tried, the model makers have tried to insert some form of uh ethics or morality. For example, if you're using the consumer version of Google Gemini, it will not answer questions about politics at all. Absolute refusal. We'll just say, hey, I'm not help built to help out with this, right? So if you were saying, like, hey, who should I vote for?
Or what is this political platform or uh any of those things? It won't. It will just say nope, it won't do it. And those absolute refusals, you know what that's the model maker's right to do that. But some people like, I would like a model that can help me answer these questions.
And so if they were to download an open model, maybe they would want to make sure that the open model would answer those questions. And there are ways to uncensor these, but the process causes damage to the model, right? Imagine taking a sheet of paper, right? Take a sheet of paper and say, I want to remove all of the words that begin with the letter C and you get us uh an exacter knife and you start carving up the paper. Well, you're gonna damage stuff on the other side of that page, and you're gonna reduce the readability of that page.
Can you do it? Yes. Will it be as good as the original? No. So, how do you get what you want?
Safer model responses, maybe like let's make sure our website chat bot can't be overtly racist. How do you do that? There's a couple different ways. First, um, there is uh there are techniques like low rank adapters or very technical things that can change some of the model's functionality without changing the model itself. If you've ever used a program like Adobe Photoshop or Google Chrome, uh you have a plug-in or a browser extension, these are pieces of software that get added on to the base software, right?
It doesn't substantially alter the functionality of the base software, but it does change some capabilities and you know can cause some problems. There have been Chrome browser extensions will just crash your browser, but they exist as a way to help you get capabilities in your browser that it doesn't come with. And things like uh low-rank adapters and AI can do very similar tasks. Second, and more helpful and more aligned with the ways people want to use AI today, particularly for public-facing applications, is what's called model pairing. Suppose you have a big foundation model like Google Gemini, Anthropic Cloud, uh GPT 4.0 from OpenAI.
That model, you say, hey, we'll respond to the customer, and we'll create an output. And instead of the model's output going straight to the customer, there's a second model paired with it that has a very specific job, like, hey, make sure that this response is not racist. And maybe it's tuned to to look specifically for racist content, and it would check the work. And if it sees racist content, it would send it back to the foundation model and say, hey, try again. Like that was pretty rude.
Uh try that again. Kind of like a supervisor or quality assurance person. The big model makes something, the QA person checks it and says, yes or no, this was this was good or bad. Maybe uh, you know, you have uh models looking for uh, hey, let's not mention our competitors in our responses, whatever the thing is you would uh the use cases you'd want to prevent a big model from generating, you have a smaller model tuned to deal with that. This approach is highly effective.
Um, it is so effective, in fact, that it is the underpinning of a lot of AI agents. A lot of AI agents are nothing more than a couple of models or a few models sort of chained together, connected to each other to do different parts of tasks. The downside is that this is a very costly process because instead of having one model that you're running, now you have two. Yeah, right? You've doubled the compute cost, you've uh potentially doubled the financial cost, and so it's very expensive, and there's a speed penalty as well.
But if you want to ensure better outcomes and reduce the probability, not eliminate, but reduce the probability of AI doing bad things, it's the best approach to take because as models get more capable, um, they get better and better at performing the specific tasks we ask of them. And so if you tell have a model saying, hey, don't be rude to people, um, it's uh the supervisor models themselves are getting much better. At the end of the day, AI's outputs will never be deterministic, never be absolutely guaranteed. You'll never be able to guarantee that this model will not be sexist or bigoted or whatever. But techniques like model pairing and low-rank adapters can dramatically reduce bad outcomes.
They can they can make them ex extremely rare, and they're way easier than trying to unbake a cake. So that's uh today's episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button.
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