One of the concepts I share in my keynotes and courses is the conduit of authenticity. In an age when you can freely and easily use generative AI to manufacture ANYTHING, people will manufacture anything – including things damaging to you.
If your internal processes are glacial – meaning it takes a week for someone in communications to talk to legal to elevate an issue to a stakeholder for an approval to respond, you’re toast. As the adage goes, a lie is halfway around the world while the truth is putting its shoes on.
And a machine-generated lie that aligns with the beliefs people have? That’s going to spread like wildfire, unless you have conduits of authenticity.
What are these? They’re people. People who work for you, people who publicly speak on your behalf all the time. Influencers who work for you (possibly you!) who are empowered to respond FAST. They’re people who can validate on your behalf whether something is real or not, and can marshal a response from you and your existing fans very, very quickly, hopefully putting out the fire before it spreads too far, too fast.
And they’re out in public always. They’re not someone you trot out when the defecation impacts the ventilation. They’re in the communities you serve already, every day, building and maintaining relationships, listening carefully. They’ll be the first to know if someone’s using generative AI maliciously against you, because your fans will go to them first and say, “hey, is this real?”
You need this capability now more than ever, when a single disgruntled employee, malicious competitor, or just a jerk decides to newsjack the hot button issue of the day and literally put words in your CEO’s mouth. And you need a playbook, assembled with your communications team and funded with ad dollars to spread word FAST, so that your firefighting efforts have air cover.
You can’t wait to hire a PR agency or even call your PR agency. You have to build and grow these conduits of authenticity all the time, every day. Proactive, not reactive.
Jay Baer talked last year about The Time to Win, where speed matters for sales and marketing. Add crisis communications in the generative AI age to that list – you have to be ready to outrace a lie.
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What does surviving and thriving look like in the age of AI?
Here’s a simple, uncomfortable (for brands) answer: you.
You are what will help brands survive and thrive. You, the individual. Call it what you will, influencers, creators, thought leaders, brand ambassadors – at the end of the day it’s a person and a personality: you.
The media landscape already looks like this. As journalists get laid off, as traditional media either pivots to automation or falls off a cliff, as channels splinter into infinite spaces, you are the brand.
You are the media.
Pre-social media had us in just a few public spaces. CBS. ABC. CBC. BBC. The New York Times. The Sydney Morning Herald.
Social media 1.0 had us all in big public spaces. Twitter, back when it was great. Facebook. LinkedIn.
Social media 2.0 looks like hives of walled gardens. Discord. Slack. Substack / Ghost / Beehiiv / whatever. Group chats. OnlyFans.
The difference is the death of the commons. Traditional media either abdicated the commons or starved from it. Mainstream social media has become so performative and toxic that younger generations simply don’t bother.
What social media 2.0 outlets all have in common is that they’re in shards. Joining Discord means nothing. Joining a specific Discord community is what has meaning. Joining Substack is less important than joining someone’s Substack. Yours. Mine.
Heather Cox Richardson has four times as many active subscribers as the Wall Street Journal’s print circulation.
Even my Almost Timely Newsletter has more active subscribers than the print edition of the New York Times.
AI will only accelerate this. More brands use AI for efficiency, for cost cutting, and use it badly, creating oceans of slop. As the slop Zergs across the public media landscape, the power of YOUR distinct voice matters more, in your shards of media.
The pandemic accelerated this trend greatly, but it was already underway by 2020. Today, it’s the dominant form of media. More individuals have more audience than most Fortune 500 brands do.
You are the media.
You are the brand.
The only question is, are you building with that mindset?
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If you know jailbreaking techniques for AI systems, you know that you can get them to talk about things they’re not supposed to.
But one of the most interesting – and to me, legitimate – use cases of jailbreaking is to find out what the AI itself thinks it’s not supposed to talk about.
And boy does it vary. Here are some screenshots from Google’s Gemini 2 model. Some of the content is the same and universal.
And some of it is very, very specific to that locale.
The key takeaway here is that every AI has a bias of some kind, but some of those biases are intentional. The ones shown are intentional, to influence the model to behave in certain contexts and certain ways.
As these systems are used more and more to shape our reality, it’s a good idea to know what shape they’re bending our reality towards.
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One of the enduring issues people have working with and around me is that I cast a very long shadow. I’ve been online and actively making stuff for more than 30 years, from my first website in 1994 to today.
But one of the things I hate most is when someone else claims credit for my work.
Which means by extension, I have to assiduously avoid doing the same. Here’s a concrete example. The new Trust Insights AI-Ready Marketing Strategy Kit is a collaboration, yes, with Katie Robbert and myself, but it is predominantly her work.
Those of you who know me and have worked with me know that process and structure are not exactly my cup of tea. I’m more of a fine purveyor of barely-contained high-tech chaos. Even when I’m setting up on stage to give a keynote, my prep looks like a tornado ripped through a Best Buy.
Which means that when you see stuff from Trust Insights that’s very clearly strategic thinking, process focused, organizational behavior and change management… it should be pretty clear I am not taking point on that. That’s Katie’s focus and work, and I want her to receive all the credit she’s due for it.
Do I contribute my opinions and perspectives? Yes, of course, in the same way that Katie contributes her opinions and perspectives on my technological maelstrom.
My focus is very much on the technology and the tactical. What does XYZ thing DO? How do we use it? What can we make of it or from it? How does it work? For example, the recent Unofficial LinkedIn Algorithm Guide? 95% my work and you can tell because the back 20% is entirely technobabble.
As marketing becomes more and more personality-driven, from influencers to thought leadership, each of us who has a platform also has to make sure we’re not taking credit (or allowing others to assign credit) where it isn’t due. To do any less diminishes not only our collaborators and partners, but ourselves as well.
And if you haven’t grabbed both guides, there’s a link in the comments.
The Trust Insights AI-Ready Marketing Strategy Kit:
https://www.trustinsights.ai/aikit
The Unofficial LinkedIn Algorithm Guide for Marketers, Mid 2025 Edition:
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Late night thought on a Saturday. Wouldn’t it be ironic if AI slop and bots end up taking down public social media because the only ones left will be the bots talking to each other?
And the billionaires’ cash cows dry up because real people depart for other, private places like Discord and group chats?
All the tech companies pushing for AI everywhere, not realizing they’re salting their own fields…
The power of AI, especially generative AI, could be deployed for so much good, but instead we get AI Influencers on Instagram that no one asked for.
Using Microsoft Phi-4, the super lightweight model running locally on my MacBook, I was able to build a content scoring prompt and system in less than 10 minutes that successfully evaluated hate speech examples allowed under Meta’s new guidelines. Every social network COULD deploy a lightweight model like this that could at least flag things for human review very quickly with good accuracy.
Companies like Meta, therefore, CHOOSE not to, devoting those computational resources to slop instead.
Make your plans now for a future where your social networking is out of the public eye, in private places where people in your circle of trust provide the support and connection you crave.
And if you’re a marketer, prepare for a future where public social media is no longer a driver of any kind of business.
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A lot of people have had a lot to say about Model Context Protocol, or MCP. It’s one of the hot topics in generative AI right now, but it’s also absurdly opaque to a lot of folks.
Here’s what it is and how it works. Functionally, MCP is a function available to you in chat, in a supported tool. You call it like you reference a GPT.
For example, I built a private MCP that does one thing: word count. ChatGPT, Claude, etc. are all TERRIBLE at word count, and yet if you’re writing and want an accurate word count, you have to copy and paste into another tool.
I made an MCP server with a single function: COUNTWORDS. When I’m using Claude, for example, I might say “After you finish this chapter, count the words with COUNTWORDS”. It will call up the function, send the chapter to my MCP server, that counts the words, and it tells Claude how many words there are.
We won’t go into the technicals of how I built that right now, but that’s really what an MCP service is. It’s a call to an external service of some kind.
Many people have built custom GPTs in ChatGPT, a specialized version of ChatGPT that has pre-baked instructions. They’re great, a good on-ramp for people to learn how to customize generative AI with no technical skill required. But you’ve likely run into limitations – lots of limitations – with them.
MCP is one of the answers to those limitations. Behind the scenes, an MCP server is a full-fledged technical service, like an API. You can build literally anything, including more generative AI, and have it available to you.
For example, suppose you were having a chat with Claude and you had an MCP called ASKMYICP. It would send the current conversation to an MCP that would ask your ideal customer profile what they thought of the content, kind of like tagging someone in Slack or LinkedIn. The service would send back the ICP’s opinion, and you would never have to leave your conversation.
Here’s the power move: because all the major vendors – OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Anthropic – all support or will support MCP in their chat interfaces, you have a platform-agnostic way to expose your services to them. Custom GPTs are limited to the OpenAI ecosystem – you can’t use them as-is in Claude. But if you built an MCP service? You could have it available to everyone.
And because the underlying technology is under your control, you could easily make them available for a fee. You have total control of an MCP, far more than you do over a GPT, which still lives and plays by OpenAI’s rules.
For example, people often talk about invoking an “advisory council” of popular thought leaders and names, like Andy Crestodina, Rand Fishkin, Katie Robbert, Brooke Sellas, Ashley Faus, etc. but they just reference the names in ChatGPT. “Tell me what Christopher Penn would think about this” as an example.
Someone like Oz du Soleil probably has a TON of content not publicly available. What if he built an MCP and made it available for sale, connected to his own private datastore, carefully curated to be better than anything a public language model would know? You’d pay for that. You’d pay to have OzAI in Microsoft Copilot to critique your Excel spreadsheet or get help with it 24/7 from one of the planet’s top Excel MVPs.
Suppose I wanted a virtual Katie Robbert trained on EVERYTHING Katie’s done, including all the stuff inside our company? Maybe I’d want that ONLY for internal employees, to keep our competitive advantage. GPTs can’t process that much information easily. An MCP service could connect to our own internal databases everywhere and provide a full KAItie experience.
As companies add more tools their AI stack, and more tools and vendors support MCP, having your own set of MCP services available will be part of your secret sauce. As thought leaders and influencers, consider what an MCP of you – your digital twin – could be and how someone might use it, either inside your company or publicly.
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In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:
What kind of content best resonates with your audience?
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You Ask, I Answer: Content for Influencer Audiences?
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We continue with our influencer marketing questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit from SAP and analytics, which I recently attended and was a panelist at.
As a reminder, I’m doing this series because it was a four person 30 minute panels, we didn’t have time to really dig into any of these questions.
And you’ve been here for the first four, you know that? Each question can be answered in about 10 minutes.
So it’ll be a very long panel, every panelist was giving a 10 minute answer to every question.
Today’s question is, what kind of content best resonates with your audience? I don’t know.
I’m being a bit facetious here.
Gender, generally speaking, this question is going to be a bilateral question.
Knowing what the audience wants, and then knowing what you’re able to create, right? For me, I find it easiest to create this video content with an audio component, and then using AI to transcribe into text for people who want to read rather than listen or watch.
And it’s interesting looking at the data, looking at the analytics around the audio files, the YouTube videos, the newsletters, about 50% of the audience still prefers to read things like my my weekly newsletter with the almost timely newsletter, and about 25% prefer to watch a video about 25% prefer to listen to audio.
And so in terms of a content strategy for B2B influencer marketing, it really comes down to what are you capable of producing? Right? If you can only produce texts, and blogging is what you do.
That’s what you do.
I would suggest that if you’re really good at blogging, it’s not rocket surgery to get out your phone and record yourself essentially reading, reading aloud your blog.
Because video in particular contains the most information density, and is a format that is easily distributed, thanks to services like YouTube.
So if you’ve got the script, which is the blog post, you may as well just read out loud and of course, it’s trivial to extract the audio from a video now I have audio for a podcast or something similar.
But that content resonance, what kind of content resonates is highly dependent on on the audience’s preferences, that’s format, topic wise.
Topic wise, this is where you got to do some research.
And we says at the time of recording, you can still get access to things like Twitter profiles in at scale, you can with certain tools, get a collection of say Instagram posts, or you can see performance of your content on LinkedIn.
It is your obligation as a marketer, both as a brand as an entity as an influencer, to analyze that data, and see what are the topics that you’re covering to begin with? And then what kinds of content performance do you get on those topics? I will say like, I look at the different topics I cover.
And right now, the topic that gets the highest engagement, the most discussion is all about AI.
I mean, we could talk about data science and art and Python and stuff.
And nobody really wants to talk about that.
Right now.
It’s all generative AI as the title this is April 2023, when I’m recording this, that’s the that’s the area of focus that people care about today.
Audience preferences are notoriously changeable, right? They are notoriously fluid.
And what is of interest to people today will not be of interest to people tomorrow.
What is worthy of discussion is going to be different depending on where people’s attention is.
When you look back the last few years, obviously the pandemic and the future of work was hot for a while.
cryptocurrencies were hot for a while NF T’s were hot for a hot minute.
Gender of AI is hot right now, who knows what’s next? The question that influencers have to ask themselves is what can we credibly cover? And the question that brands have to ask is, are these topics that we have a point of view on as well? That would be worth collaborating with an influencer about or not? So for my audience, again, the pillar content for me is the weekly newsletter, The almost timely newsletter, The the general content of these daily videos that go with that.
And then the big rock content, things like books or keynote addresses and stuff but topic wise, today, it’s all about AI who knows what tomorrow will bring? And I would love your thoughts, what content resonates with you what format what topics would you want to hear more about? Be happy to hear your point of view on this as well thanks for tuning in we’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button
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In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:
How do you manage brands’ expectations?
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You Ask, I Answer: Managing Brand Expectations for Influencers?
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This is the fourth in a series of questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held recently by SAP and Analytica.
These are the questions from the panel discussion that we just didn’t have enough time to dig into depth about? So I’m answering them here.
Today’s question, how do you manage brand expectations within an influencer marketing program? And this to me, is very much a measurement question, right? How do you measure influencer marketing, so that the influencer and the brand are measuring the same things, and the influencer and the brand are setting expectations appropriately based on the scope of measurement? So let’s start with a few different things, because there’s a lot to unpack here.
First, it depends on the kind of influencer, right? We have a tendency, and I mean, we in B2B marketing, have a tendency to think of influencer marketing as social media marketing.
And that is partly true.
Social media is a component of influencer marketing.
But it is mostly not true, especially in B2B.
Here’s why.
influence extends way outside of social media.
If you are a pharmaceutical company, where the influential people than not on Twitter, they are in archive and Bio Archive online, they’re in published academic papers.
They are in peer reviewed journals.
That’s where those those folks are who make who influence decisions.
If you were in law, and the legal realm where you’re influencers, right? They’re gonna be in LexisNexis, and find law and all these places where influential people, people who can change a conversation are hanging out again, probably not on Twitter, right? Even though for a lot of influencer marketing tools, they seem to over focus on Twitter, that’s about to change.
If you are in real estate, where where are your influences? Good chunk, then we’re going to be on on places like YouTube and Instagram.
Sure, publicly, behind the scenes, there’s backend systems like MLS, there’s understanding how to manipulate those systems, to to accomplish different tasks.
If you are in coding and development, where are your influencers? They’re on GitHub.
They’re on GitHub, they’re in code repositories.
Maybe they’re on Reddit, maybe a few of them are on Twitter, but they’re in GitHub.
And if you know, get hubs data model, you know how to find those influences, because it’s they’re the ones who are doing lots of commits on public projects that are about the subject area that you care about.
Influencer Marketing extends way outside of social media.
Right? Where if you are in in your industry, where do you see prominent people getting attention? And chances are for a lot of B2B, it’s not social media, it is someplace very specific to some kind of realm where they have expertise.
So that’s first Where are you influencers? Second, how do you measure the impact of influencer marketing? Influencer Marketing is very similar to public relations.
There are two primary outputs, right.
One is awareness, to drive awareness to a new to a brand, its products and services.
How do you create that awareness.
And the second is trust.
You’re bringing in influences because consumers rightfully and the consumer we use here in in the B2B and B2C sense.
Customers don’t trust you.
They don’t trust you to do talk honestly, about your product.
And so you have to bring in third parties to do so on your behalf public relations, uses a lot of influencer marketing.
And so if you think about how you measure public relations, then you should have to have a pretty good idea of how to measure influencers.
You have basic, sort of top level metrics, like impressions, media impressions and things which are not worthless, right? If you have zero media impressions, yeah, you don’t have anything else because you no one saw you.
So clearly, that number does mean something if if zero is bad, but then you have more complex forms of measurement.
Example uplift modeling is something that if you’re engaging influencers to do influencer marketing, uplift modeling should be part of your toolkit, which is the statistical method to look at.
What was business as usual, right? What would you have gotten no matter what, and then you have the influencer campaign, what’s the Delta on that? Right? What’s the what’s the impact in the days and weeks and months after an engagement above and beyond what you’re gonna get anyway, there are statistical techniques for doing that, that are statistically valid media mix modeling and other example your influencers should be part of your media mix model to see how they impact outcomes that you care about.
Setting brand expectations means having a conversation about measurement.
Ask them, how do you measure things? How do you want to measure this program? How will you know what success looks like? How will you know what failure looks like? And if a brand doesn’t have those answers, it’s probably not going to be a successful long term partnership.
Right? If you can’t say to somebody, here’s what we did.
And here’s the line of sight, the dotted line, but the path to a metric that you care about, right? If the CMO is in charge of marketing, qualified leads, something that you provide in measurement wise, had better have a correlation to marketing qualified leads in some statistical capacity so that you can say, Yeah, we did XY and Z, which resulted in a 6% lift in marketing qualified leads, that’s something that a stakeholder can take to the bank, or at least take to the boss and say, Hey, we got 60% more leads because of this program.
Let’s keep doing it.
So setting expectations with a brand is about setting expectations around measurement.
And what you’re willing to provide, what the brand is willing to provide, and what you’re willing to agree on to say like, yeah, this measure doesn’t make sense, right? If there will be cases where if, if you’re providing awareness and trust, you’re probably not direct selling.
Might be but you’re probably not, you’re probably just trying to get people to recognize this brand even exists, that they even belong in the consideration set.
What are your consideration metrics? What are the things that people would type into a search engine or ask on a social media channel? Here’s, here’s a ton of people talking about how to learn more about this thing.
That’s awareness.
So that’s how I think about managing brand expectations in an influencer marketing program.
It is what what are you measuring? What does success look like? And then can we create modeling around that, that helps you understand? Yep, you’re, you’re getting what you you want it and it is a a partnership for both the influencer and the brand, to collaborate on measurement to agree on a common standard of measurement and then to implement that measurement as part of the program.
So that’s a part four of the questions from the influencer marketing summit, the B2B influencer marketing Summit.
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In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:
What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no?
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You Ask, I Answer: Brand Collaboration Requirements for Influencers?
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In today’s episode we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held by SAP and analytical as a reminder, it was a panel discussion 30 minutes for for folks and a moderator to answer a bunch of questions.
And, you know, in those situations, you never really get to say everything that comes to mind.
Because you want to make sure that you’re you’re giving airtime to everybody else, everyone has a chance to contribute equally.
So this series is all the stuff that I would have said, If there had been more time.
Today’s question, What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no? It depends.
And I think that’s probably the the most accurate and most frustrating answer I can give to this.
What matters? The reason I choose a brand collaboration, there’s a few I’ll say no to companies that have direct competitors of mine of Trust Insights, right? That’s kind of a no brainer, if a company is a direct competitor probably don’t want to be undermining my own business interests, which is a valid consideration, right? I have talked with brands who have said, hey, you know, you seem to be an influencer for IBM.
So we probably don’t want to work with you.
Because we’re competitive IBM, that goes both ways.
Right? A brand would say, like, not sure that that’s a good fit.
Things that do matter.
Besides something obvious like that.
values matter, right? Does the brand, do things that make the world objectively better or worse place? When I worked at my old agency, we would get clients who their job was to make the world a worse place.
Right? They did stuff like petroleum extraction from places he probably shouldn’t be extracting petroleum from.
Is it profitable? Yes.
Does it create a a good lifestyle and wages and jobs for people in those places? Yes.
Does it also substantially damage the environment? Also? Yes.
Is that a concern? You bet it is.
And so values alignment is really important when looking at a brand and saying, Do I want to work with this brand? Things that matter? The brand needs to have to open up access to stakeholders and and talent, right? Particularly in B2B marketing.
There’s a lot of software companies, there’s a lot of, you know, SAS services, things like that.
And I am as a buyer, and as an influencer, I am very wary of somebody that will not let me kick the tires on escorted, right.
I know it drives some people crazy.
But I will say to somebody, yeah, just give me a log into the product.
And I remember what you need to do the onboarding and the tour and all stuff like No, but I can’t figure it out.
And I’m a reasonably intelligent person, if I can’t figure out how to use your product with with no guidance, then your product needs improvement, right? Think about something like an iPad, you can hand an iPad to a four year old and pretty quickly, they can figure out what to do.
Right? They don’t need a whole lot of onboarding, to use an iPad, and to get benefit out of it.
That’s the bar.
That is the bar that all software and service companies need to be able to provide to say like, yeah, it will help if you read the manual or do the onboarding, but you don’t need to to be able to get immediate value from the product.
Another thing that I particularly look for, because I talked to a lot of data science and AI companies, let me talk to someone in engineering on escorted, again, both as an influencer and as a buyer.
Let me talk to somebody who there’s there isn’t a brand marketer or a reputation manager like looking over our shoulder the whole time.
I have had the experience where a salesperson said oh yeah, our product does this that the other thing and I talked to the engineer and the engineer is like, no, don’t do any of that.
That’s not what this product does.
And you can usually get more candor, and more.
Were truth out of engineering it at least in the space that I work, and then you will out of sales or marketing.
In a lot of cases, I will have questions where the marketer isn’t equipped to handle the answers.
They just don’t know the answers.
I was talking a number of years ago with the folks at Analytica and I was at their booth at the B2B forum.
And we were talking about graph networks.
And you know, the person in the booth saying, oh, yeah, our software has this type of, you know, proprietary blah, blah, blah for for identifying influencers.
And I said, let me talk to somebody who is on the software side with the engineering side, and we got to they there was someone there, I got to chatting with them.
And they explained like, here’s the algorithm we use.
Here’s the the specific tech Niek and to me that gives the brand credibility.
It says we’re willing to let you look under the hood and say, Huh, this is what’s under here.
Look, it’s hamsters, I’m just kidding.
And conversely, a brand that won’t, don’t work with them, don’t buy from them.
Don’t don’t work, don’t have an influencer relationship with them because they got something to hide.
If you won’t let engineering speak on escorted with a prospect or an influencer, you got something to hide, and that’s not good.
Ideally, your influences should know your product as well as you do.
Ideally, your influences should know its strengths and its weaknesses and be able to talk credibly about that to say like, yeah, this product is not for you, right? To the people who it’s not for real simple example, IBM software for the most part, if you are not a fortune 500 IBM software is not a great fit most of the time, right? dB two is a gigantic database, it is highly reliable, it is highly secure, it is highly a pain in the butt figure.
And you need to know the ins and outs of it right? The IBM z mainframe, your average mom and pop shop does not need that.
Right? They no one needs a mainframe.
If you’ve got like less than 1000 employees.
There’s certain lines of business where that makes total sense.
And if you if you don’t let your influencers, see the inner workings of the products and services, you’re doing them a disservice.
And you’re doing yourself a disservice because they are going to then say things that may not be true.
Or in my case, just won’t work with you because you can’t trust what you don’t see.
Right.
So what’s the back end? I’ll give you another example.
The folks over go Charlie, the marketing AI software company, I got a chance to sit down and chat with their chief AI officer dispute acoustal.
And we got super technical.
I was asking about vectorization embeddings, positional encodings, all this stuff that’s part of, you know, large language models.
And she was very frank, she explained where things were things weren’t with the product and stuff.
And as a result of that conversation, I trust that product because the person who’s representing it knows what they’re doing.
Right.
So that’s what makes me say yes to a brand collaboration.
The last thing of course, is fair value exchange, right? Is our both parties getting mutual, equitable value, right? It doesn’t necessarily have to be money, a little money never hurts.
But can we use the product? Can we use the product like a customer would? Can we get exposure to a new audience and audience that maybe we don’t have access to? So there’s, there’s different ways to provide value, but the value exchange has to be bilateral, and it has to be mutual access to stakeholders, experts, things like that.
All sorts of things that that there are value in.
So that’s what makes me say yes or no to a brand collaboration.
That’s the third question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.
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In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:
Do you like short-term or more long-term partnerships?
Tune in to hear the more in-depth answer.
You Ask, I Answer: Short or Long Term Influencer Partnerships?
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In today’s episode, we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit that was recently held by SAP and Analytica.
Today’s question is, in the context of B2B influencer marketing, do you like short term or more long term partnerships? For me, personally, I prefer to have more long term brand partnerships, because transactional stuff is fine, I’m certainly not going to say no to it, but developing an understanding of the brand, what they do, and how there’s their products or services are of benefit to people takes time, right? It takes time to to learn what a company does learn how it’s useful.
Try out the company’s products or services.
I’m a big proponent of influencers using the things that they are representing.
Right? I have substantial issues with people who make all kinds of claims about stuff they, they’re basically talking heads, they’ve been given some talking points by the brand.
And if you ask them, they don’t actually know anything about the product or service.
They just go.
Right sort of generic coverage of it.
I think an influencer if they want to be influential if they want to be perceived by their audience as credible, needs to know what it is that they’re being influential about.
Right? If you have, say, a piece of software like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, how well do you know it? How well can you use it? How well, can you tell somebody else about it in ways that are authentic, that are ways that are a first person perspective? Can you tell people what the weaknesses are? Can you tell people what it’s not good at? Those are really important talking points that a brand isn’t going to tell you, right? Brad’s gonna say, oh, yeah, this piece of software here.
People who work in finance definitely shouldn’t use it, because it behind the scenes is kind of a disaster with compliance, right? I’m praying, it’s probably not going to hand that information out to an influencer.
But somebody who has hands on experience with, say, that piece of software will know Yeah, this.
There’s some problems on the back end of the software, it’s a good piece of software.
But there’s these problems.
And so that’s only stuff that you can get through long term partnerships.
The other thing that’s good about long term partnerships, and this is more on the influencer side is that it? Once you’ve established trust, once you’ve established a relationship with the brand, it gets easier to do subsequent projects, right, it gets easier to come up with new ideas, it gets easier to build on the work that you’ve already done, and bring more benefit to the relationship.
Think about it.
Think about it, like, act like dating, right? What is a series of, you know, one night stands? was a series of first dates.
Yeah, but it’s, it’s entertaining for some people.
But you never really get to, to experience any depth with that, right? Because you’re always moving on to something new.
And the same is true in this context.
If you’re always, you know, representing this piece of software this week, and this company next week and stuff, and you’re not learning about what they do and how they actually work, you’re gonna have a hard time.
Seeing the big picture around that company, you’re gonna have a hard time talking credibly about the company, in depth.
B2B is different than B2C B2B.
Marketing is very often collaborative.
And they’re typically for at least for big ticket purchases, there are a lot of decision makers there are a lot of information gathers right think about how a enterprise B2B purchase works.
Do you have a team of people putting together a shortlist of companies to talk to you have researchers gathering information doing their due diligence, you have all that information bubbling up to key stakeholders who then meet with one or more of the parties involved in in an RFP process or something? And all along the way? The people that are gathering the information to help the decision be made.
They’re going out to influencers and analysts and reviews and stuff trying to figure out what who even belongs on the list.
If you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s a good chance that that influencer has had and created much more content about you than in a short term relationship, right? You think about it, you know, they wrote one blog post or put up a LinkedIn post or or did one YouTube video with you and then they’re off, and how much how easy is it going to be for some One who’s doing research about that company to stumble across that one blog post, not very, if you have a long term partnership where that influence is creating a body of work around you, for years, there’s a good chance that someone doing their due diligence on on whatever product or service, it’s going to matter, right? It’s got to be found.
I’ve talked for years about using IBM Watson Studio.
And before that IBM Watson analytics.
I’m a member of the IBM champions, I do stuff with IBM on a fairly regular and frequent basis.
I talk about IBM, in my talks, I showcase their software where it’s appropriate to do so the probability of someone who follows me for any amount of time hearing about IBM in a positive light, but a fair one is pretty high.
And so the next time somebody who’s doing their research, you know, if they happen to come across one of the many, many pieces of content I’ve created about IBM, they’ll go okay, this, this person recommends that this person seems to have some hands on experience with them.
Let’s include that input into the RFP process questions to ask the different companies.
That’s, I think the benefit of those long term influencer marketing relationships in B2B Especially, the decision cycles are long.
There’s a lot of stakeholders.
There’s a lot of research and gathering of information.
And if you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s there’s more information there about you to be found during the buying process.
I think it’s really important.
But that’s the second question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.
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