Summary
In today's episode, I explain how to justify escalating AI API costs to your CFO when direct revenue ROI isn't apparent, using a blender analogy to reframe the question. Here's what this means for you. You need a measurement strategy that proves your AI spend is making the company money faster than it's costing you. You'll also learn how to reframe ROI around employee productivity, why bigger-better-cheaper metrics win CFO approval, and how local AI models cut unpredictable API spend.
Key Takeaways
- You'll learn how to reframe the CFO's ROI question around employee productivity instead of tool capabilities
- You'll discover how bigger-better-cheaper measurements build CFO trust and justify continued AI investment
- You'll see how local AI models cut recurring API expenses and create predictable cost structures
Full Transcript
In today's episode, Yuri asks how do you justify the escalating cost of AI API usage like OpenAI or Anthropic to the CFO when the ROI isn't immediately based in revenue? Well, you better have some proxy for revenue. Um look, the CFO cares about two things profit and loss. The CFO cares about are we making money faster than we are losing money? And if you can't prove that your AI initiatives are making money faster than you're losing money, then they have every right to call into question like what are we doing with this stuff?
AI. Think of AI like a blender, right? What is the ROI of a blender? Kind of a weird question, isn't it? Like it sounds almost kind of silly.
Like, you mean what's the ROI of a blender? It's a blender. It doesn't have ROI of its own. Yell, but it does have a place in your kitchen. Right?
What is the ROI of it? Well, no, the answer is not that the blender itself by itself has an ROI. The ROI is can I use it to get things done faster? If I need to make, say, uh a baronet sauce or a Hollandaise or something along those lines, um, will a blender help me get that done faster or cheaper or better than me using a hand whisk? The answer is yes, obviously, right?
If I'm going to make a blended margarita, it is a better use of my time to use a high-speed blender than it is for me to manually crush ice, you know, with a hammer and stir it into a drink. That's would hope is pretty common sense. So the question for the the CF the CFO is asking you is not what is the ROI of the tool itself, is what is the ROI of the people who we are paying, and because salary is still probably a largest expense or one of your largest expenses, um, versus what we are getting. Are we spending more than we are receiving? That is the question that everybody in the AI field had better be prepared to answer.
And if you don't have an answer, you're gonna be a lot of trouble. So you gotta have a measurement strategy for AI. How do you measure the effectiveness of artificial intelligence? Are you doing things bigger? Are you doing them better?
Are you doing them cheaper? If you don't know the answer to that, if you can't answer that, your CFO has every right to say, I don't see why I'm spending all this money, and not seeing savings elsewhere. Because the logical thing for a CFO to do is if you are spending a crap ton of money on AI, the logic we would say, well, okay, if AI is going to be a headline expense now, how can we find some additional savings? Who can we lay off? So you don't want your aunt the answer to be me, right?
If you're if you're not raising your hand to be laid off, then you had better have some of the answers for that CO. You had better have a way to justify that spent. What was the productivity beforehand? What tasks that you do did you do? How well did you do them?
How fast did you do them? And how many of them did you do? And can you now demonstrate in a in a system of measurement that a CFO will understand, which is money or proxies from money like time, that what you're doing is effective. That's it. That's the answer.
No CFO is going to be dazzled by the numbers that AI practitioners talk about. You know, quantization and token throughput and numbers of uh responses or API uh advances or this or that or the other thing. No CFO cares about that. CFOs care about are we making lame are we making more money than we're saving than we're than we're spending? That is that is their job boiled down into one sentence.
What's your answer? What is your answer? What as an AI practitioner, what is your answer to that question? Are we making more money than we're spending? Is it uncomfortable?
Sure. Especially if you're someone like me who likes to learn the technology in many cases for the technology's sake to understand what can this stuff do. And your average C CFO is is tends to be not always, but tends to be a reasonably rational person. If you say, you know, the ROI runway to get to positive ROI looks like this, and this is the schedule and the plan. Your average rational CFO is going to say, okay, I can see a path to profitability here, or I can see a path to cost reduction.
I'm willing to authorize this spend now to get this savings later or these profits later. Because think about it. Ultimately, what are they held accountable for? More money in the less. They are they are held accountable for are we managing as good financial stewards the financial health of this company?
Sales is responsible for gross revenue, right? Uh operations is responsible for for gross spend. Finance is responsible for keeping track of it all and saying this is what we're doing with our money. This is how responsibly we're using our money. And it's not every person in every company, but on jet in general, that's what that position and that department cares about.
Is the responsible stewardship of the money. If you are doing lots of stuff with AI and you cannot explain where the spend is going or what you're getting for it, it is within their right to say, you know what? I don't think we should be spending money on this like that anymore. Let's let's put some guardrails up. Let's say this is what you're allowed to spend, and then you you, the operator, figure out how do you work within those budget constraints.
Because if this were your own money, that's what you would be doing, right? You would not give, I would hope, open AI or anthropic, unlimited access to your personal credit card. If you do, well, I mean, good luck to you. Um, but you probably wouldn't do that. At Trust Insights, um, I have spent a lot of time focusing on local AI models explicitly for this reason.
We do not have infinite amounts of money, right? We spend $200 a month, $300 a month on anthropic subscriptions. That's it. Uh we spend whatever a month for for Google workspace. Uh, but the the AI components blended in.
We do not, even though we are an AI consulting firm, we do not spend a lot of money on AI services because we try as much as we can to spend money on AI in hardware terms, like local AI, so that our spend there is on stuff that is durable and that is ours. So that's my answer to that question. It's a it's not a pleasing answer from a technologist's perspective, but is a realistic answer from the way at the way the CFO thinks. Thanks for the question. Talk to you on the next one.
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