You Ask, I Answer: Is AI AGI Imminent?

In today's episode, Maria asks, is artificial general intelligence imminent or has it already been achieved? So this is a complicated question. And it's a complicated question because it depends on what we mean by artificial general intelligence. The uh technology folks in Silicon Valley have moved the goalposts on this one a whole bunch of times. Originally, artificial general intelligence was tossed around as the idea of sentient, sapient, self-aware machines that could uh autonomously do stuff.

Think, you know, terminators, right? Where they're they're they're wandering around, they're able to make decisions, they're able to act independently. That vision of autonomous machinery, we are far from. Machines do not have agency, and the current technological architectures that power today's AI, the transformers model, the diffusers model, etc., and even the cutting-edge models like uh state space models and things, none of them enable any kind of sentience or sapience. One of the big things that is prohibiting that is the fact that as we understand it today, which is still kind of a bit of a mystery, uh, and by kind of a bit I mean a complete mystery, is we don't know what gives rise to consciousness, other than consciousness seems to correlate to complex um big systems.

So as the number of neurons in a brain increases in terms of parallel computing capability, things like sentience or self-awareness uh tend to increase. So a fly, for example, may not have sentience and self-awareness. It has algorithms built into it that to you know help to instruct it to find food, etc. You look at something like a virus or bacterium, they're not sentient, they have no self-awareness, they have mechanical functions that create the conditions for life, but they're not sentient. You start moving into the animal kingdom, and yeah, you get uh sentience uh and and the levels of self-awareness, right?

Your dog has self-awareness, your cat has self-awareness and sentience. They're not sapient, meaning they're not human in their capabilities, but they are sentient. Even a mouse has sentience to it again, differentiating between sentience and sapience. A mouse has sentience. Why?

Because a mouse's brain has something like 70 million interconnected neurons, and that neural network is what enables that level of sentience. Um, they don't have that in a way that allows for all those connections to basically be active all the time. So when you look at something like an NVIDIA GPU or a Google Ironwood tensor processing unit, those systems work when you put power through them, right? And when when they're given instructions. When they're not working, they kind of sit idle.

That's not how our brains work. If you look at a functional MRI of a normal, healthy human brain, um, or a mouse brain or a dog brain or any kind of brain, when a creature is idle, just like chilling, the brain is still active. On the MRI, there are there are no parts of the brain that are are cold and dormant. When a compute cluster is dormant, there are processors that are just not on, right? And companies do this to save money, obviously, because having a computer that's just on chewing up power doesn't help anybody.

But that's probably part of what creates sentience and self-awareness, is the fact that the neural network inside a living creature is on all the time. So we can rule out sentience and sapience as a definition for artificial general intelligence. The current thinking is that artificial general intelligence is the ability for machines to accomplish any task in what's essentially called zero shot, meaning without priming it, without giving it a ton of context, without giving it, you know, uh test data to work with. The models have been trained so that they can accomplish a task in one shot, you know, it's called zero shot learning, um, and just do it. So you put a legal contract in front of the model and it can parse the contract correctly without uh being told here's what a contract is, right?

So all the practices that we currently use for things like prompt engineering, you are a world-class legal expert. You do you know, you know this, you do this, etc. You you're aware of these things, all the knowledge blocks that we provide. You know, here's the information about my company and things. If you were to take away all of that, could the model still accomplish the task in some fashion?

The the way that people are thinking about artificial general intelligence is very much like a super smart intern that doesn't need to be given directions, right? Other than say, hey, go do this task. Are we close to that? We're closer, but what's becoming increasingly clear is that that is not something the model itself, the AI model itself is going to do. Where model makers have gone, particularly in 2025, is uh they have gone towards teaching models to be very capable with tool handling, multi-step reasoning and tool handling.

So when you use Chat GPT, you are not using the GPT 5.1 or 5.2 model directly. You are using an interface around it that has a bunch of extra stuff added onto it. And that that it's called a harness. But think of it like the model, the AI model itself is the engine of the car, and the harness is the rest of the car. So no one goes down the street sitting on an engine, right?

You you go down the street in a car that has seats and a radio and air conditioning and all that the stuff that you expect of a modern vehicle. The same is true of our AI systems. We are now building these harnesses, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, and stuff like that, where there is a lot of extra support around it to enable that tool handling. And when you use a tool, say, for example, like Google Anti-Gravity or Clawed Code or OpenAI Codex, you are not just using the model, you are using the harness around the model that gives it those extra capabilities. We see a lot of specialization right now, like if you look at you know, open AI Codex, Google Antigravity, all these different things.

All of that is extra stuff to be helped to help it specialize in a specific discipline like coding. AGI artificial general intelligence would be when you have an A uh an agentic-based system like that that isn't specialized. That it's that it could be when you turn it on, hey, today you're going to be uh anti-gravity dentist, right? Or you're going to be anti-gravity radiologist, or you're going to be anti-gravity plumber. The tools are not there yet, but they are getting close very, very quickly because as we train them more on these different domains, and as they get better and better tool handling and we provide connections to more and more data, the language model that is at the core of this that has better reasoning capabilities can reason through and think, okay, I've been asked to diagnose this plumbing issue.

I've been asked to do this thing. I'm going to search the web, I'm going to search my own good sources, I'm going to do this, that. When you watch a tool like anti-gravity at work and you read the console messages of what it's saying, it becomes very clear that it we will get to a point where the tools don't need much instruction because they will be able to be very self-sufficient. Like the difference between a bad junior employee and a good junior employee is a good junior employee is heavily self-motivated. You say, here's the task, here's some background information, go do the task.

And if they need additional assistance, they are self-motivated enough to go Google stuff and only come to you when they need help. When you watch the coding tools in particular and anti-gravity and clawed code and things, you're seeing that more and more. You're seeing where the the model makers are saying, hey, only ask for help when you need to ask for help. Otherwise, use your own reasoning capabilities to accomplish the task to the best of your ability. And they're really good at that.

They are really, really good at that now. So as of the end of 2025, we are not at AGI. Um I think so. Uh, I think if we define AGI as the tool's ability to not need specialization to accomplish any task in a zero-shot capability where you give it the task and we walk away with the way that agentic AI is going today, I think we would meet that definition of AGI in 2026. I think that is a realistic uh thing.

Now that does not take into account a radical change in the field. And by radical change in the field, I mean something like a new paper coming out of China that just totally changes the math of AI. That's a very realistic possibility that could make could enable something like AGI much, much faster, right? If you have when DeepSeek came out in January 2025, what made Deep Seek so powerful was that the Chinese AI manufacturers constrained by the export restrictions that Western countries put on them for what chips they're allowed to have access to to do AI, developed better math. They developed GRPO goal reasoning process optimization or policy optimization, I believe is the abbreviation.

Better math gave the Chinese AI model makers the ability to make state-of-the-art models with half or a quarter of the resources of Western companies. And as of December of 2025, the uh Chinese AI companies have released math specific reasoning models, uh, among chief among them Deep Seek Math version 2. Deep Seek Math version 2 does something very interesting. It is focused on math, it is trained to do math, and is trained to build its own training data of progressively harder and harder math problems to solve, math theorems to solve. So, what the the the deep seek folks have figured out is yeah, it's fine to add more compute, but if you can add better math faster to the process for that you use for generating AI, you're gonna make better AI faster and substantially faster than people who are focused on you know throwing more compute at the problem.

One of the I think the biggest blind spots that Western AI model makers, in particular OpenAI, have they have a point of view that says just throw more computing power, hence the propositions that have been floated around in 2025 about trillion dollar investments in data centers and stuff like that. Throwing more compute at a problem instead of coming up with better math is not the way to go. And the the these other model makers outside of the US have figured that out very quickly. So all this to say, AGI, as we define it as zero shot accomplishing a task, maybe much closer than we think. It's on the horizon now with the technology we have today, but we are one math paper away from it happening overnight.

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