Mind Readings: DeepSeek Week Part 4 – Should You Use Deepseek?

In this final part of Deep Seek Week here on the blog and the channel, let's answer wrapping up everything we discussed about. Should you use Deep Seek? It depends on your use cases and infrastructure, is the answer. It depends, which is the least satisfying answer in the world. Should you use it for non-sensitive, non-private informational tasks?

Yes. Absolutely yes. It's performance is terrific. Especially if you're using it through an API. So anyone who's building an app that uses AI absolutely should be using it for non private information because it is so low cost.

When I was doing when I was starting testing out the model, I went to my CEO, Katie, and I said, hey, I'm gonna uh drop 50 bucks on their um API to get started. And she's like, okay, well, you know, how how long is that gonna last? If you're gonna be hitting it, you know, doing coding experiments with it, um, you know, what what uh what's the price gonna be? How how how much are we gonna get hit for? And I said, yeah, I'm gonna put 50 bucks in, and we're gonna see um just how far that goes.

Because it it might be, you know, it might be great, it might I might burn through it really fast. And I've built in that time um a few different apps, fun ones. Uh there's an emoji crossword puzzle and a few other things. Nothing sensitive, nothing private, nothing uh client based. Um, I just wanted to give it a shot.

In that time, and I've been using it now for probably half a month, aggressively, you know, with with very, very frequent API calls, thousands of API calls, nearly 20 million tokens. How much have I spent? $1.34. I've spent $1.34 or so uh till then. Um now, granted, they're on a promotional pricing right now.

The the pricing's gonna go up uh to 27 cents per million tokens input and $1.10 uh output on the output side. So right now the discounted rates uh are uh 14 cents uh and 28 cents out. That's gonna go up to 27 cents and a dollar ten out. Now you might say, uh, is that good? Is that bad?

Um how does that compare to everything else? Well, if we were to look at the pricing for other models, um, even their full pricing is crazy good. So open AI is GPT-4.0. Um go back to Deep Seek's pricing here. Uh 27 cents per million input tokens, $1.10 uh output tokens.

It's gonna average together, it's gonna be about what? 75 cents or so. Um, $4.38 is what it's gonna cost um to do to use the the regular model. Uh Deep Seek's gonna go to uh call it buck fifty or so uh after it's after the promotional pricing ends. Uh buck fifty for for a million tokens.

OpenAI's 01, 26. So buck fifty at at premium pricing versus 26 dollars for the same level of service that is stupid cheap. That's what 20 times less expensive. Um so should you be using Deep Seek if you are doing stuff that where you're gonna hit the API pretty hard and you're gonna uh run the bill up in terms of of calls to the API and the number of tokens you're following through it. Absolutely you should for anything not private, anything not sensitive, absolutely you should.

It should be your first choice because it will save you a ton of money. We talked in the previous episode about privacy. Uh you know, should you be using it for private things? And the answer for that is no, uh, unless you're running it yourself. If you're running it yourself on your hardware, then it's all the cost of your hardware and your electricity.

Uh, and I would strongly encourage, if you have the hardware, uh, to run it locally because some of the the distilled versions of it, uh, like the little models they've modified. Absolutely incredible. Incredible state-of-the-art performance for small models in an environment that you know, you run it on your desktop. Yeah, it'll spin the fans on your laptop a little bit, but you don't need a nuclear reactor for that. You don't need access to a uh rivers full of fresh water to run a high performance model on your desktop.

When you look at the scores that the deep seek llama versions have gotten on uh various benchmark tests, they're so incredibly good uh compared to even the big data center models. So let me pull this up here. This is in their paper. So OpenAI's GPT-4.0 on the Math 500 score uh test scored a 74.6, Claude Sonnet scored a 78. 01 Mini scores a 90.

Llama, the deep seek version, 94.5. As that is state of the art for a model that you can run on your desktop. Now, how do you get set up with that? Um, there's a trust insights live stream. If you go to trustinsights.ai/slash YouTube, you can catch the the past live stream and getting started with local models because that's how you're gonna deploy it.

You're gonna deploy it locally if your computer can run it. You need at least at least 64 gig of RAM and preferably 16 gigabytes of VRAM, video RAM to do it. 128 would be better. So you need a big laptop. I'm running this on a MacBook M4, and I have enough memory to have the 128 gigabyte version.

So I have enough memory to do that. But even like an older M2 MacBook, as long as you've got 64 or 96 gig of RAM, you can run some of these Deep Seek distilled versions and get incredibly good performance with just the cost of your own electricity. And if you're I in my house, I have solar panels, so it's effectively solar, it's effectively free. But the bottom line is this. I saw Kimi uh had came up with a model recently.

Um ByteDance came out with a new model. There's a bunch of really good video models and now DeepSeek and its LLMs. Chinese model makers are making incredibly high performance, high quality models, giving them away for free, uh, and providing very, very low cost options for us to use them. I would encourage you, regardless of where you are in the world, I would encourage you to not develop brand loyalty with AI models. In the same way that you don't develop brand loyalty to the engine in your car.

You might have RAM loyalty to the overall car, but to the engine of your car, no. As generative AI matures, I think it's really important that you keep the idea of brand loyalty at arm's length away because models change so fast. The technology changes so fast that you should be agile enough just to swap out, say, okay, well, this is now state of the art, and you know, as long as it meets your requirements, let's switch to that. And just keep surfing the waves of technological change. Your foundational principles that Katie talks about all the time, like good requirements gathering, understanding your organization, your people and what the purpose is of all this stuff, that stays the same.

As the technology changes, you just swap things in and out. As you are building software, uh, it is really important to build abstraction layers in your software. So any kind of app that you're building where you have an AI model, you want an abstraction layer in there so that as models change, you just pull one old model out, put a new model in. Uh, it's like you know, driving uh your car into the shop where they just pulled the engine out, put a new engine in, and everything hooks up. And because you've taken the time to not hard code a model of anyone's into your app, when new stuff comes out, it's easy for you to pivot, it's easy for you to make changes.

That's what's going to set us apart companies who are successful with AI in the long run from companies who get too fixated on some company or some brand or some uh agreement to pivot. If, and I know this is happening because I've I've talked to a couple clients. Uh, if a a tech company is pressuring you to sign an exclusive agreement with them, run, run as fast as you can away from them because the technology is changing too fast. Today's state of the art could be tomorrow's laggard. And if you want to continue to offer state of the art capabilities to your customers, you want the flexibility to say, you know what, we're changing.

This deep seek came out, we're changing. When the next big thing, when Mr. All releases Mr. All Large 3 and it beats the pants off of Deep Seek, you want to be able to change. Say, you know what?

It was fun, moving on. Um, think of it like that. Make sure you that you don't fall in the brand loyalty trap. And believe me, especially in the tech oligarchy that exists in the United States, they're gonna push real hard to create that brand loyalty. Oh, I'm an I'm an open AI guy.

I'm a I'm a Google Gemini guy. No, don't be that. B, I'm a results guy or gal or person. Be a results person, be a state of the art person. And don't be loyal to any one technology provider.

Because A, they can all go away. And B, you want to be nimble. When the technology is changing this fast, you want to be nimble. That's going to do it for Deep Seek Week here on the blog and the channel. Thanks for tuning in.

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