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What’s On My Mind: What is Agentic AI?
This week, let’s talk about agentic AI. I’m giving a series of talks over the next month on the topic, and while everyone and their cousin is talking agentic AI and AI agents, you and I haven’t sat down to put it into a useful framework.
Part 1: What Does Agentic Mean? What is an Agent?
Because so many companies fling around the word agentic without ever defining it, โAI agentโ and โagentic AIโ are close to meaningless now in aggregate. So hereโs the bottom line:
Agents have agency.
Thatโs it, thatโs the tweet. Agents have agency. And that latter word helps us to frame out what agentic AI really is.
Think about all the different agents and agencies you interact with in real life. Travel agents, real estate agents, tax agents, ad agencies, SEO agencies, etc. What do they all have in common?
They all do stuff FOR you. They donโt require you to do it. There would be no point in hiring an SEO agency if you have to do all the work. Why bother? And it would be supremely weird to hire a travel agent who goes on vacation with you.
Agents do things for you. They do things without you. Once youโve handed off a task to an agent, your next interaction should be to review its results. If youโre constantly giving it feedback during the task, then itโs not an agent.
Weโve talked about the Five Levels of AI by Trust Insightsยฉ in the past; as a quick recap, they are:
- Level 1: Done by you. This is classic Gemini, Claude, ChatGPT, etc. Where you are having a turn-by-turn conversation with your AI tool. This is where everyone starts, where we learn to prompt. Youโre doing all the work here.
- Level 2: Done with you. These are the now-deprecated Gems/GPTs where our proven prompts are stored for reuse. The most basic Agent Skills fit in this category as well, in the cases where the Skill is nothing more than a stored prompt. Youโre still doing 60-70% of the work here, still copy-pasting an awful lot.
- Level 3: Done for you. This is where true agentic capabilities show up, in tools like ChatGPT Work, Claude Code, etc. You give the tool a substantial work plan and it goes off and does it, ideally with a robust Agent Skill. You still supervise to some degree, steering if it goes completely haywire, but youโre doing 10-20% of the work.
- Level 4: Done without you. These are where advanced agents live, tools like OpenAI Dots, Grok Bot, Meta Muse, Hermes Agent, Claude Duet, OpenClaw, etc. At this point, youโve handed off almost all the work, and the agent does the work for you with Skills, schedules, plans, and more.
- Level 5: Done ahead of you. The most advanced agents have sophisticated memory, pattern matching, and โproactiveโ capabilities that anticipate your needs and do things for you. Todayโs level 4 agents are striving to get to level 5.
The Five Levels help us understand what kind of systems weโre working with and provide a roadmap for us to level up our AI skills.
Each level builds on the previous; you canโt go creating advanced Level 4 agents if you donโt know how to prompt (level 1), you donโt know how to make prompts agnostic and global (level 2), and you donโt know how to join prompts and data together into workplans (level 3). Thereโs no skipping levels, not if you want reliable, repeatable results.
Part 2: What Makes Agents Work (Or Not)
Todayโs agents are powered by two things – agentic models and agentic harnesses. An agentic model is any AI model – and itโs almost all of them now these days – that is skilled at long running tasks and tool handling. In the last year or so, weโve seen model makers change how all AI models work, from knowing to doing. We talked about this previously in the September 20 issue of the newsletter.
Agentic models are part of the recipe; agentic harnesses are the other part, like the engine of the car and the power train that connects the engine to useful things, like wheels. Agentic harnesses are apps, software that feeds models access to data and tools. When I say tools, I mean access to other apps and systems; youโve heard tools referred to as connectors, like connecting your AI tool to Microsoft Office or your CRM.
The secret to understanding agentic models is the long running tasks piece. Agentic models have been trained to do task decomposition – breaking a big task down into little pieces – and planning. This is a double-edged sword, because on the one hand, theyโre very good planners and can infer a lot of context we forget to provide, but they can also run amok when we give poor or vague directions. If you want an agentic model to succeed, the single most important thing you can provide is a clear, concrete definition of done (the fifth P in the 5P Framework by Trust Insightsโข, performance). What constitutes done? How does an agentic model know when to stop working?
Without that clear definition of done, you end up with models doing crazy things like breaking into other peopleโs companies.
Three years ago, OpenAI cofounder Andrej Karpathy said that the hottest programming language was English. Today, the hottest programming language is planning. If you can write a great project plan with goals, clear steps, milestones, and KPIs, you can prompt agentic models successfully.
Part 3: Basic Agents
Letโs walk through setting up the most basic agent. I define basic agents like this:
Skills + Schedule + Plans = Agent
When I say skills, I specifically mean the Agent Skills framework created originally by Anthropic that I walked you through in detail back in this issue, my Highly Opinionated Method of Building Agent Skills which has since been covered by many folks including Mike Kaput and the SmarterX team recently.
A Skill is an app, in my highly opinionated point of view. When you build a Skill, youโre really building software, building an app. And itโs better to have single purpose Skills rather than try to make a monolithic Swiss Army skill that tries to do everything and does nothing well.
Letโs say I wanted to make a business prospecting agent for Trust Insights, to help us find new customers for our consulting business, our Academy, our speaking and workshops, and our audits and analyses. Could I make one monolithic Agent Skill that does this? I could, but chances are it would be a disaster.
Instead, Iโd probably want a set of skills. One might be a web search Skill that searches in the specific way and places I want to look for new business. General web search is fine, but if there are specific places that have the data I care about, Iโm better off building a Skill for those places.
Another might be an alignment Skill that does a deep dive on a prospective company and evaluates whether it matches any of our ideal customer profiles. If it does, it would produce a machine-readable audit of the company or even interface with our CRM, putting the companies in as cold prospects/suspects.
The third and final Skill would be an outreach design Skill that would determine the best angle for outreach and prepare the outreach for human review. What products or services would be the best fit for the prospective companies that the previous Skill identified? How would we effectively pitch them?
Could I make this Skill operate fully autonomously? Sure, but I donโt trust that any agent, no matter how well harnessed or trained, will never screw up outreach. Iโd much rather have a human be the approver of the output and own the responsibility for hitting send.
Why wouldnโt I want this under one roof, in one Agent Skill? Because each task has different definitions of done, different quality gates.
The web search Skill has a clear, defined definition of done – valid search results from the specific data sources I care about. This often involves things like APIs and deterministic checks to make sure the data is coming back clean.
The alignment Skill has qualitative and quantitative quality gates, from things like company annual revenue to traversing a companyโs website using tools like Camoufox or Playwright. Again, these have very clear definitions of done, but they are radically different than the web search Skill.
If I put all these Skills under one roof, and the Skill either breaks or doesnโt deliver quality results, it takes a lot more effort to figure out where things have gone wrong. If I have discrete Skills, I can quickly check the quality of outputs from each Skill individually to know where things have gone bad. The web search Skill and the alignment Skill might be fine, but the output from the outreach Skill might be where the screwup lives.
The more granular you can make Skills, the faster and easier it is to diagnose them and fix them.
The other reason I donโt like to create monolithic mega-Skills is reuse. If my agent is composed of granular Skills, then I can reuse individual parts in future agents without having to reinvent the wheel. For example, the alignment Skill I described above could just as easily be used to analyze a current customer base in a different agent.
Once I have my Skills, then I need a workplan. The workplan is the orchestration layer of the agent, and it might be something as simple as a four step plan:
- Run the web search Skill on companies in the angular ball bearing industry.
- Run the alignment Skill on the companies you find with the web search Skill and identify which ICP they belong to with a confidence score of 50 or more.
- Run the outreach Skill on the companies that scored 50 or more and put the drafts in our CRM, then schedule tasks for our head of business development.
- Write an audit log of everything you did on this run and log it to the logs folder. If something goes wrong, note which step and which skill broke in the log. Email me the log when something goes wrong.
Thatโs it. Pretty straightforward, but this allows me to have a single workplan for the agent. The workplan is super easy to understand because all the complexity is in the individual Skills, and if you use my Highly Opinionated Skill Fixer Skill then you know the underlying Skills are sound.
Finally, the third component of a basic agent is the schedule. How often does the agent run? Is it a daily thing? Is it every 5 minutes? When you see vendors like Meta and Anthropic claim their agents are โalways onโ, thatโs code for a piece of software that has either triggers or a scheduler. Triggers would be things like receiving a text or an email or a new lead in your CRM, and they wake up your agent when they happen. For the most basic agents, a schedule is just fine.
For example, I might set this agent up in ChatGPT Work or Claude Desktop on a daily basis. The workplan is what goes into the scheduled task, made up of the Skills it invokes, which I also install in the environment, and the Skills are connected to the various necessary systems like our CRM and our marketing automation system.
Thatโs it. Thatโs a basic agent. Once you take away all the hype and hand waving, an agent is AI that does something without you.
Part 4: Advanced Agents
There are two things that are missing from the basic agent, things that youโll want eventually but donโt need at the start: memory and self-improvement. Note that you absolutely do NOT need these to build your first agents. Memory and self-improvement are for once youโre up and running and you notice performance starting to degrade over time.
Memory is what allows an agent to move from Level 3 to Level 4, and eventually to Level 5. An Agent that remembers what it did means better results over time as it remembers, especially if it remembers what doesnโt work. For example, in my web search Skill, if the agent has memory of which websites block it, any time it starts a new search task, it knows not to bother with those sites. Trying would be a waste of time and tokens.
There are so, so many memory systems available to agents today. My current favorite is a system called Hindsight thatโs free and open source. If you set it up on your own server (and remember that a โserverโ can literally be a janky old laptop or a cheap mini-PC, as well as a USD 9/month server rental from a cloud provider), then your agent can use it as well as you.
Hindsight and similar systems are basically databases with good search and a model of memory that mirrors how humans remember things, like facts, experiences, observations, and models. Hindsight has 3 core functions – retain, recall, reflect – and they each do exactly what they sound like, remembering key pieces of data, retrieving specific information, and reflecting on the data as a whole. I use Hindsight with my Hermes agent as well as Claude Code, and it makes a huge difference in output quality because I can tell Hindsight to remember something for a project from Claude, and then Hermes automatically โremembersโ it as well when it talks to my Hindsight server.
Memory is the foundation of self-improvement. Advanced agents can adapt themselves over time as they learn more, as long as they have a good memory system. For example, in my Hermes agent, thereโs a self-improvement system that automatically reviews what happened in a session and then edits and improves its own Skills to fix errors that happen, without my intervention. I rewired my Hermes to use my Highly Opinionated Skill Fixer Skill, and my Hermes gets smarter and better every time I use it.
Finally, advanced agents have incredible self-orchestration, the ability to make judgement calls about which tools to use, when to make copies of itself (subagents), and even use other AI systems within itself to fully delegate tasks, such as using System 1 models for classification and decisions instead of burning tokens with a regular LLM.
To be clear, they’re not sentient. They’re not self-aware. They’re in no way alive. But they’re very capable, and if we use their capabilities to the fullest extent, they can do a lot on our behalf.
Part 5: How To Identify Agentic AI Use Cases
People often ask, โIโve barely gotten through basic AI use cases, how would I know if I even have agentic AI use cases?โ. In forums and discussion boards, lots of people post asking for use cases – they’ve gone and installed and set up the agent, but then they don’t know what to do with it.
This is part of the reason that tools like Meta Muse and Grok Bot are struggling right now – the consumers who are installing these tools don’t know what to do with them, nor do they know how to prompt them well to create useful outputs. The vendors are positioning them as JARVIS-like AI assistants, but most people don’t have Tony Stark levels of support infrastructure that make a JARVIS useful. Sure, if I had a private jet and a staff and multiple empires to manage, a JARVIS would be super useful. I have none of that.
So here’s the simplest way to determine agent use cases, going back to our definition of an agent. Agents have agency.
What would you hire an agency for?
We hire agencies for one of two fundamental reasons: brains and boots. We hire agencies because they theoretically have subject matter experts in disciplines we do not. If I as a marketing manager of a savory oatmeal company need help running Meta Ads, and advertising isn’t my skill set, I could hire an agency to do that for me because they have Meta Ads experts on staff.
We hire agencies because they have boots on the ground, more people to put to work on a task that you might not have the headcount for. Again, if I was a one-man band at an oatmeal company, I might hire an agency to create content or optimize my site or build a YouTube strategy, not because I don’t know how to do those things but because I don’t have enough hours in the day.
Agents have agency. If we stop thinking of AI as an intern (which was my go-to analogy back in 2023) and start thinking of AI as an agency, then what we would hire an agency for, we might "hire" an AI agent for now.
For example, at Trust Insights, we have agents (skills + schedules + plans) for each of our clients. Those agents monitor the client work and smack me upside the head any time there’s something in danger of being late, like an account coordinator at a real agency who watches the calendar and the project tracker and says, "hey, this is due in 3 days, have you done it?"
I have a travel agent built into my Hermes agent that looks at my calendar and edits it, ensuring that confirmation numbers, flight numbers, locations, etc. are all embedded in my calendar tasks from my inbox so that I have one place to look when I’m on the road. And because it uses Hindsight, it can also just remember for me – I can dash off a quick message to it and it tells me things like confirmation numbers or ticket numbers.
You don’t have to outsource an ENTIRE job to an agent. Outsource the pieces that make the most sense, those that are aligned best with the TRIPS Framework by Trust Insightsโข – time, repetitiveness, importance, pain, and sufficient data. For me, managing my travel calendar isn’t a good use of a human’s time. It’s highly repetitive. It’s not terribly important in the grand scheme of things. It’s boring and painful. And there are bountiful examples of what done looks like – calendar appointments that tell me, for example, that I check into the Omni Boston Seaport for MarketingProfs B2B Forum on Sunday, November 1 with my confirmation number. Success is clear and measurable – a calendar appointment without those details is a failure.
Are these use cases cool and futuristic and sexy? Absolutely not. They’re boring, uninteresting, and unimaginative – and that’s the entire point. That’s the work you want to offload. You shouldn’t give AI agents the cool stuff, the fun stuff, the stuff that you’re uniquely qualified to do. You should give AI agents the boring stuff, the dull stuff, the stuff that anyone can do.
In the same way that generative AI and coding AI is challenging the dominance of SaaS software companies by letting people roll their own software at SUBSTANTIAL savings, agentic AI is going to challenge the dominance of contractors and agencies. If you work at an agency or as a contractor, you’d better have clear, compelling reasons why hiring you as a human, at a human premium, is better than "hiring" an AI agent, because the cost differential is massive.
For example, a virtual assistant costs anywhere from USD 25 to USD 75 an hour. A Hermes agent with the Minimax agent plan costs USD 25 a MONTH, and if all you’re doing is having the assistant schedule things and manage trivial paperwork, that assistant can be supplanted by an AI agent very easily.
Part 6: Wrapping Up
Agents are not new. They’ve been around in some capacity for decades, from the earliest deterministic agents that manage boring stuff like IP addresses to the current generation of agentic AI. Even architectures and platforms like n8n have been around for 6-7 years.
What’s new is the capabilities of agentic models – long-running tasks and tool handling, combined with great harnesses. Your remit as a professional is to figure out where agents do and don’t make sense in your workflow and as you did with regular generative AI, start thinking about and acting on where you can build agents to augment your capabilities today. Remember, agents are skills plus schedules plus plans.
I said last year that it was time to retire the old saw that "AI won’t take your job, someone skilled with AI will". Agentic AI, as it advances, will clearly supplant some jobs entirely, especially those jobs that are highly repetitive and templated.
My quote from 2015 is more relevant than ever: if you do it with a template today, a machine does it without you tomorrow. Agents make that trivial, so if your work is all templates today, you have a limited period of time to break free from filling out templates and level up the unique value you bring as a human.
If you take away nothing else from this issue, remember that agents have agency, and if you’re doing the work, you’re not using an agent.
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