Summary
In today's episode, I explain how product managers should evaluate whether conversational AI creates real workflow leverage or merely adds interface novelty. Here's what this means for you. You can judge AI features with the customer-satisfaction, usage, and business measures you already track instead of inventing a separate AI metrics category. You'll also learn these concepts: why language models suit language-centered tasks better than routine visual navigation, how weak models and limited business context can produce hallucinations and poor tool use, and when to disable an AI feature that lowers customer happiness.
Key Takeaways
- You'll evaluate conversational AI with existing customer satisfaction, NPS, usage, and business measures rather than creating separate AI metrics
- You'll recognize that mismatching chatbots to non-language tasks, limiting context, or choosing weak models can increase frustration and abandonment
- You'll decide whether to keep or remove conversational features by comparing customer outcomes with and without the AI experience
Full Transcript
In today's episode, Bradley asks what metrics should project product managers use to evaluate whether conversational AI features provide genuine workflow leverage or merely interface novelty. SaaS companies rapidly adding conversational sidebars to existing apps, see sharp spikes and then steep abandonment when users find standard visual dashboards faster for routine navigation. Well, again, this is a case of should you be using AI for that? Whatever the thing is, should you be using AI for that? What think about the things that AI is very good at.
The generative AI in particular is very good at generative AI is good at language, hence the name large language model. If you have a task that is fundamentally not a language task, then using a having a chat bot available in your application isn't gonna make that any better. Right? It's it's probably gonna make things worse because you're asking it to do a task that it is not well suited for. That is what we're we're saying at the end of the day.
If you are using language models to do non-language tasks uh natively, of course users are gonna stop using it, of course, users are gonna find it unsatisfactory because you'll get things like them being rife with hallucinations, and SaaS companies in particular are going to be really bad at this because unlike consumer consumers expect, you know, uh having used tools like chat GPT and stuff, they expect unlimited amounts of chat. They can just talk to it whenever. But when you're building conversational AI into a product, you are using an API, and that API is pay as you go. Which means that the consumer's experience of unlimited chat means that if the vendor were to offer unlimited chat, they're gonna have a really big bill, especially if they are using state-of-the-art models. So, what does a vendor do?
A vendor is going to typically offer limitations, like you can have X number of chats or whatever, or is going to use a smaller, lighter, faster, and less capable model. A lot of people in the early days of Google's rollout of Gemini into everything said it really sucked. And it really sucked because the model, the version that they were using, they were using the early versions of Gemini Flash. Flash is a small, fast, cheap model. And in those early versions, it was as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Um, it was it had no good tool calling abilities, it frequently screwed things up, it frequently just hallucinated, uh, it did not return structured data well, and so a lot of people's initial experiences with Gemini inside the Google ecosystem were deeply unsatisfactory because they were like, this thing is dumb and it is making my job harder rather than easier. This is something that we see even today. Um a lot of people, particularly the general public outside of the workplace, their experience with generative AI with free consumer models, the free version of Chat GPT, the free version of this or that. And if you've used the paid versions, you know the free versions are terrible. They're dumb, they're fast, but they're dumb, they hallucinate, they uh have very little ability to connect to data sources, and if you've been spending any time at all with with us at Trust Insights talking about these tools, the more of your own data you bring, the better they're gonna perform.
The average consumer does not know that. The average consumer does not have that experience, does not have that awareness, and as a result, their experiences with generative AI are frankly the worst possible because they're working with dumb stuff all the time. So, what that means is that if you're introducing conversational AI into your product and you're using the cheapest, smallest, fastest models, of course you're gonna get bad results. So, Bradley's question then is what metrics should you be using to benchmark uh the adoption of that? The same ones you're using now, customer satisfaction.
If you are integrating product features into your system that AI based or not, if people hate them, you should be able to see that. You should have you know CSAT or NPS scores constantly running, constantly supervising, constantly checking in to see how people feel about your application. And if the answer is they hate it, then turn it off. Um if if the usage numbers of your generative AI uh capabilities are declining rapidly, turn it off. Unless you are somehow, you know, if you're charging people a gazillion dollars to to upgrade to the plus version of your application, if there is no added benefit to the user and your numbers are tanking in the things that you already measure that are connected to real business measures, then turn it off.
You don't need separate AI metrics. This in fact, there it probably makes things worse. Instead of separate AI metrics, just focus on are our customers happy? And if the answer is no, turn the AI off, go back to the way you were doing things before. Because if customers were happier without the AI features, why would you make your customers less happy for the novelty of a piece of software?
That's that's ridiculous. So that's the answer to Bradley's question. Measure the things you have already been measuring. Look at the metrics you already provide, and if people aren't happy, turn it off. Thanks for the question.
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