You Ask, I Answer: Building AI Agents For UI Testing?

In today's episode, what is this here? Oh. Um, dev, I don't know if that's your name or that's your title, um, asks, how should we fundamentally approach building an AI agent for UI testing? Okay, so that's an interesting question. It's and it's a good question because you're gonna there's a lot of prerequisites for this particular task.

First prerequisite is what constitutes a good UI in your world, right? Because everyone's gonna be different, everyone has different standards. So you need to have your UI standards documented first before you can even talk about agents. You have to know what good UI is. And if you don't know what good UI is, or worse, you have a bad idea about what good UI is, then you're gonna build something that reinforces crap instead of negates it.

So you need to be very clear with yourself what good UI is to begin with. Then what I would strongly recommend doing is think about the ways that different agents work and the infrastructure and tooling that goes with them. When you query a web page using generative AI, whether it's in an agent, whether it's in a chat or whatever, what comes back is not what you and I see as humans. What comes back is the HTML and the CSS and the JavaScript. AI models that just use an HTTP connection to pull the web page are not seeing the rendered page.

They are seeing the raw HTML code that makes up that page. That's not a bad thing. Uh however, it is incomplete. A good agent that's going to do user testing is going to have two tasks or two things that it extracts. The first is it has to extract the code, right?

The HTML, the CSS, the JavaScript, the uh the whatever uh framework you've got using what your CMS is publishing, et cetera, because that's what the machine sees, and you need that. You need that so that the the LLM powering the agent understands what it's looking at. That's part one. Part two is you also need to have um the what it looks like, and the tools can the agents cannot see that. Agents cannot see that.

So what you have to do is you have to render the page as a graphic. So you have to use something like headless Chrome or Playwright or something that can render the page as an image, probably a JPEG or a PNG file. And then you have to use a vision language model or a multimodal model that can see images and look at the final rendered version of the page. So that the model will then have here's the HTML, here's the code, here's what the code looks like, and those two things it can say. Oh wow, that looks ugly as heck.

I wonder why. I'll look at the code and say, Oh, you put this div is misaligned here, and that's what's closing to look like this. If you do that, you'll have a very good system for doing UI testing. So you need what is good UI, you need the ability to get a page's HTML, you need the rendering of the page when it's done. Now, obviously, if you're doing stuff outside of um a web browser, like if you're doing you know native applications, then you need to be able to have the model see what is on screen with screen sharing.

Uh, some APIs, like the Google Gemini API, have real-time streaming of screen sharing, and it those models can see um what's on your screen, uh how it renders. So UI, code, appearance, those are the three parts you need. And then you have to say how do you want how do you do UI testing, right? So, what does that mean at your shop? Does it mean do you have an ideal customer profile?

Do you have requirements for UI testing? Say, for example, uh what's your what's your click rule? Uh, Palm, the the folks that used to make the Palm pilot infamously had a rule, I think it was the three-tack rule saying there was nothing in any application or part of the UI should be more than three taps away from the home of that thing. So that was their that was sort of their way of reducing complexity, was to say it has to be no more than three taps away. That put a lot of constraints on app developers and made it very difficult for a lot of app developers to develop the system.

It is suspected that that is one of the many reasons that they did not thrive uh after their 15 minutes of fame compared to newer systems like you know iPhones and stuff. But what are your rules? What are your rules for um for what constitutes good UI? You need to have that written down because you can't just wing it, it. It doesn't go well.

You can just wing it. Um. So that's how I would approach building this. You have to build it first. Make sure it works in a regular LLM first, or works in a in a agentic coding harness like clawed code, and then you build the automation around it to make it programmatic, to go page by page or screen by screen, depending on your deployment.

That part happens last. If you don't get the core working, the automation doesn't matter because you're going to be evaluating the wrong things repeatedly. Thanks for the question. Talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button.

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