You Ask, I Answer: Mapping Business Processes for AI Agents?

Summary

In today's episode, I walk through how to map and document undocumented business processes so AI agents can understand and execute them using Trust Insights' 5P framework. Here's what this means for you. You'll gain a structured way to translate the tacit knowledge trapped inside your senior staff's heads into agent-ready instructions without losing critical context. You'll also learn these concepts: how the five P's (Purpose, People, Process, Platform, Performance) force you to cover every angle of a workflow, why performance and a clear definition of done matter most when handing work to AI, and how to extract process knowledge through simple conversations before letting an agent amplify any existing mistakes.

Key Takeaways

  • You'll learn how the 5P framework breaks any workflow into Purpose, People, Process, Platform, and Performance so nothing slips through the cracks
  • You'll discover why defining what "done" looks like is the most critical step for AI agents and how multiple layers of done exist for humans versus machines
  • You'll explore practical methods such as voice recordings and coffee conversations for pulling undocumented expertise out of senior staff before automating
  • You'll see why fixing broken processes matters more than speed, since AI amplifies mistakes just as readily as it accelerates correct work
  • You'll understand which platforms support agentic AI by offering APIs or browser access versus those that block automation entirely

Full Transcript

In today's episode, Brian asks what is the most effective way to map and document our current business processes so they can actually be understood and automated by AI agents. We want to deploy agents, but we realize our internal processes are entirely undocumented and exist only in the heads of senior staff. What is the framework for translating human intuition based workflows into explicit agent readable instructions? Brian, have I got a framework for you? It is KD Robert's 5B framework by Trust Insights.

Purpose, people, process, platform performance. When you're building agents, when you're building anything, when you're building agents, you have to document all five parts. So let's take a process, any process. What is the purpose of the process? Why are we doing it?

Because today's agentic models work really well when they have goals, when they understand what they're supposed to be doing. So what is the goal? Let's take a real simple pro uh process, one that I particularly hate, called expense reports. What is the purpose of expense reports? It is to ensure that employees are compensated for the things that uh they spent money on, uh, and is to ensure quality accounting so that if you ever get audited, you can you have a defensible explanation of what's going on in your books.

Uh, there can be a lot of reasons to do expense reports, but expense the purpose of an expense reports process is to provide timely data to a company's accounting system that help them keep the company on the rails. All right, so that's the purpose. People, who's involved? So obviously you have the employee because they're the one filing the expense report. You have the accounting team, so the people who are processing the expense report.

You have the leadership team because uh proper financial accounting is something that leadership should be very concerned about. Um, you have auditors, uh, you have third parties, uh, neutral third parties like auditors and stuff that will validate that a company's expense reports are correct. You will have um potentially the government involved, depending on what kind of company you are. If you are a highly regulated industry, there's a very good chance that at some point a government of some kind will be involved in the auditing and the accounting. And in uh you you have well, you know, think about everybody involved, um, is is the short message of that.

There might even be, depending on depending on the business you're in, there might even be customers involved. But no matter what it is, those you need to account for who are all the people involved in the process. What is the process today? Right. So with an expense report, chances are you probably have some sort of system or template or something, maybe it's an Excel spreadsheet, maybe it's uh you know, a uh an ERP system, whatever the the platform is, and you have to ask yourself how does the employee access that system today, and then in a world where AI agents are involved, is that system enabled for a gentic AI?

And what that means is can an AI agent use the system? So if it's a browser-based system, and a tool, for example, like Claude Code or Claude Cowork, can use the browser on behalf of the employee. If it is an ERP system, you might even have like an API on the back end that an agent could directly talk to, could directly connect to, that will allow it to send data to the system without anyone having to use the interface. But the platform is really important for agents because the you have to know what an agent can and can't connect to, and then adapt the uh agentic workflow accordingly, and finally, and I would argue the most important of the five Ps, particularly for AI agents, is performance. What is the definition of done?

How do you know that the agent succeeded? How does the agent know that it is done? Um what are the conditions that tell the agent yes, you are done or you are not done? Is it a you know HTTP 200 success call to the to the accounting API? Is it a thank you page on a web page?

Is it a correctly issued accounting system uh uh refunds to employees? Like, so what does done look like? And as you can tell based on what I'm saying, there are multiple levels of done. There's the agents done, and then there's the humans done. Because the humans done is important for things like did the employee get paid what they were supposed to be paid back for the reimbursement?

Um is the accounting all correct? Will it pass muster uh when the auditors come knocking? So these are all parts of that performance. But that framework, the 5P framework by Trust Insights, is the best way to tell agents how to know that they're doing the job, and it is also the best way for the human beings who are trying to build agentic workflows to make sure they've covered all the bases. So if you are sitting there going, oh well, I don't know how this process works, and it all lives in somebody's head, great.

That's at least you've identified the problem, which you're better off than some people are. Now, the next thing you have to do is figure out how do you get that knowledge out of people's heads. And a voice recorder or a screencast where people are are streaming internally, uh, how they do the task so that you can watch is important. Uh, those are useful tools and methodologies for getting knowledge out of the heads. But honestly, the voice recorder is the best path.

Well, you sit down with that person over a cup of coffee or tea or what have you, sparkling water, and say, How do you do this today? And you're gonna have to talk to the people involved in the process, so not just the employee doing the um expense report, but maybe someone from accounting saying, How do you process this information? What are the things that really piss you off? What are the things that uh everybody does is wrong, right? When they when they submit their expense reports.

If you know that, if you can if you can explain that, then you can build that into the agentic process so that the machine doesn't make those mistakes. Because what you really, really, really, really want to avoid is a machine that makes the same mistakes as people, it makes them faster and bigger, right? Because AI is an amplifier, it takes everything and makes it bigger, better, faster, cheaper. So if your current process is making mistakes, you do not want to have AI make those mistakes even bigger, even better, even faster. You want to make those mistakes fewer, and so you desperately need to document the process that the person is using and fix the process before you hand it off to AI.

But that is my super easy, well, it's not easy, but super simple methodology that I recommend for everybody. Use the Katie Robert's 5P framework by trust Insights to work out any agentic flow. You will make it better almost immediately. Thanks for the question. Talk to you on the next one.

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