Summary
In today's episode, I tackle Cooper's question about handling context drift and hysteresis in long-running persistent agent sessions, explaining why generative AI models cannot remember anything on their own. Here's what this means for you. You gain a clear framework for understanding why memory problems happen in AI agents and how external scaffolding solves them. You'll also learn these concepts: the fundamental nature of LLM architecture as memoryless, how context drift emerges from window limits and the needle-in-the-haystack problem, and why scaffolded indexed memory systems beat stuffing knowledge into models.
Key Takeaways
- You'll learn why generative AI models have no built-in memory and how external systems create the illusion of remembering
- You'll discover how context drift emerges when agents exceed context windows or hit the needle-in-the-haystack problem
- You'll see how scaffolded memory systems like graph indexing and abstract syntax trees solve persistent memory challenges in agents
- You'll explore why companies like Google focus on task fluency rather than embedding knowledge directly into model weights
Full Transcript
In today's episode, Cooper asks how do we handle context drift and hysteresis in long running persistent agent sessions? Any context, any suggestions of context drift mitigation, I have a continuously running instance of our CEO agent that self-manages its own context down on a recurring basis. But once triggered, defensive modes show history systems and persistent across turns, harming task continuity. Cooper's really pulling out the expensive words today. Alright, so we should probably define hysteresis first.
Hysteresis is basically saying persistent memory. That's a fancy way of saying persistent memory. From one task to the next, can your AI remember what it's supposed to be doing? And the nature of generative AI language models is that they have no persistent memory at all. Not that is the nature of the architecture, that's its fundamental nature.
It has no memory. It can't remember even what it did in the last turn on a conversation. All memory effects that you see in generative AI are the result of stuff that people have built around the system. So you've seen a dozen different memory systems, open Viking from uh Byte Dance, uh you've seen uh MemPalace from uh the folks uh Milo Jovovich, the uh actress uh and her partner put out uh mempalace. There's so many different systems for memory, but they are all external to the LLM itself.
Even a system like you know, chat GPT when it when you say you know have memory, that's externally stored. It's not in the AI tool itself. If you install a tool like cobalt CPP or llama.cpp or OLAMA or LM Studio or anything LLM, all these different tools, and you watch what happens behind the scenes, which I strongly encourage you to do by the way, you will see these tools, even from chat to chat, from prompt to prompt, remember nothing. They have to carry forward the entire conversation. That is why you get context drift, right?
Because at some point you either exceed the context window of the model itself or you run into what are called needle in the haystack problems. Where in most AI models, not all, but most AI models, they remember the first things in the conversation well, they remember the most recent things in the conversation well, and there's a whole bunch of stuff in the middle that they do not remember well at all. That is a function of uh mathematics, believe it or not. Uh the folks at Alibaba uh who make the Quen model actually published a paper in late 2025 saying they solved it for their model family by using a sigmoid gate, uh, which is a type of machine learning uh mathematics to try and solve it in their particular models and got good results. But in general, it's fair to say that chat models don't have any memory.
When you put them inside of an agent, you have to provide the memory. You have to provide how it should remember things, and if you don't do that, then they have constant forgetting. What you probably need is a scaffolded memory system. So you can't have it remember everything, right? There's just not enough memory, and even if there was, you would still run into needle in the haystack problems.
So a lot of companies, uh, Byte Dance has a scaffolded memory system. Uh you can build your own graphify, is something I've talked about a lot, uh, abstract syntax trees. These are all systems. Uh Microsoft Knowledge Graph or Copilot is one. These are all syntax, these are all systems where you have scaffolding where the memory is not just static flat memory, like a big file of folders, but indexed and uh and made meta.
Imagine the difference between a library that has a card catalog or an index and a library that doesn't, right? Where you walk into the library, there's no indexing system at all, and you're like, uh if you want any book, that's fine, but if there's a specific book you're looking for, there's no indexing system, you're gonna stop going to that library because you're not gonna find anything there. So that's what these abstract, that's what these memory systems do. The scaffolded memory systems now allow you to have not just memory, but organized memory, indexed memory. And again, this is something that sits outside the AI model itself.
There's not a single AI model that has this stuff built into it, nor do you want it in it because it would reduce the capabilities of the model, and it would reduce what the model can remember because you've you've occupied the context with all this extra stuff. The approach that you see a lot of companies taking now, like Google, for example, is not even adding new knowledge to the models because they realize you don't need that. What you need instead is you need the ability to have the model fluently do tasks, agency stuff, and then provide all of the context and all the memory systems outside the model. Like if you look at the new Gemini Flash 3.5, its knowledge base is still January 2025. That's where its cutoff is.
Why? Because Google has no need to get more training data because they don't use their models to remember stuff. They use their models to remember how to do things. So they instruct to train them, and then they the systems around it, like web search, AI mode, AI overviews, all the knowledge is provided to the model externally. So their focus is can I get the model to work better at the tasks I give it?
And not can I get the model to remember knowledge? And that's that's a very sensible way of handling things. Other companies, uh Minimax, for example, yeah, they will include some training data, but they mostly focus on tuning for even specific tasks. If you look at the difference between Minimax on coding versus minimax on agentic tasks, minimax on agentic tasks is at or above Claude Opus levels. On coding, it's below, just barely below Claude Sonnet levels.
Why? Because again, their focus is not can I get the model to know things, is can I get the model to do things? And then the know things is brought in externally. That's how AI is evolving now. That's what is happening in the industry that is worth knowing.
When we talk about GEO, we talk about the three phases of it. Model knowledge is one of those phases, and some vendors, like Claude, are still updating the knowledge in their models themselves. Other vendors like Google aren't. And so GEO results will differ based on the underlying model and the knowledge systems it's connected to. When you're working with Google for GEO, that traditional SEO part is more important than ever because the model, the fundamental knowledge in the model isn't changing.
This, by the way, causes all sorts of other issues about uh the the uh the established players getting reinforced by the model knowledge itself, which is something Google probably has to solve for at some point, but it's not going to be anytime soon. Anyway, so that's the answer to Cooper's question about how do you handle this stuff. You've got to use external memory systems on your AI tools because the models themselves will not remember and will absolutely experience those things like context drift if you try to make them remember too much. Thanks for the question. Talk to you on the next one.
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