You Ask, I Answer: Training AI on Copyrighted Data?

In today's episode, William asks, why is it acceptable to train on copyrighted data without compensation? Are AI companies stealing? Okay, uh, I'm gonna be very pedantic here. The violation of intellectual property rights is not stealing. Stealing means I have a thing, you take the thing, I can no longer have the thing.

Right? The thing is gone, I can't have a use. You take my car, you steal my car, I no longer have use of my car. If you made a copy of my car, good luck. Um this the stuff under the passenger seat if I want to uh clean out.

Um, but I still have use of my car. You have not stolen it, but you have made a copy of my car. When it comes to intellectual property, non-tangible stuff like words and books and music and videos, if someone makes a copy of it, that is not stealing, because I still have use of it. And copyright law, now I should disclose I am not a lawyer, I cannot give legal advice. Please contact a lawyer in your distriction for advice specifically for your situation.

You know, I've said that a lot. Um copyright law deals with who is allowed to make money on intellectual property. Fundamentally, how who has the right to use intellectual property? When copyright exists, it means that the originator has exclusive rights to make to dictate basically how their creations use. So if I write a book and I publish it and I specify that it is in the public domain, I I willingly renounce my copyright, anyone can use it.

Right? Anyone could claim it as their own, you know, copy paste their name over mine, and because I put it in the public domain, I've relinquished my copyright, I have no recourse if somebody does that. Copyright law says that in a well-functioning society that obeys laws, if I copyright a work, and in most places now in the world, a work is copyrighted the moment it's created, whether or not you file anything filing for it adds additional protection. If I copyright something, then and somebody else misuses it, basically, takes it and puts their name on it instead of mine, then I have legal recourse. I can sue them, I can take them to court, and then I can uh and presumably in a cut and dried case, the court would side with me, and I get to take to get money from them for harm done.

Right, that is the fundamental underpinning of copyright law. When somebody used AI, when something trains a model on AI and makes a model based on copyrighted works, a they're not stealing because they have not taken away your ability to use your works, and B, what is inside a model has thus far been ruled a transformative work. There's two types of copies that somebody can make of your works. And broadly speaking, if I made a painting of you know a sunset and a dog, and you put this painted rabbit ears on the dog and try to pass it off as drone, that is a derivative work. A human jury would look at that and go, Yeah, dude, you didn't you did nothing except put ears on the dog.

Like that is clearly the original work. That is a derivative work. If you took my painting, made a copy of that painting, then put it in a paper shredder, shredded it, turn that pulp into uh a rabbit, like a little paper mache rabbit. No one would reasonably say, wow, that Petal Michael rabbit is clearly that painting of the dog at a sunset, right? That is a transformative work.

It works in the transform so much that no one could mistake it for the original. And critically, from a commercial perspective, you selling a paper mache rabbit made of a copy of my painting would not deprive me the of being able to earn money on the painting. Because again, no one's going to mistake the painting for the paper mache gravit. Those are the two kinds of works derivative versus transformative. AI models have been ruled as transformative works.

When you open up an AI model and you look in the inside, it is a set of probabilities. There's a bunch of math in there. You're not gonna find, you know, uh my book in there directly, word for word. It's not in there. You're gonna find probabilities about the words that are used in my book, but it is not my book.

You're not gonna find my blog in there, you're not gonna find my newsletter in there, word or word. It is not in there. What is in there is probabilities. What is in there is frequencies and calculations, which means that no, it is not a violation of someone's intellectual property to train a an AI model on their works. It is not.

Now, could courts rule differently? Sure, in different jurisdictions, but as of right now, that's pretty much the way things work out. Which means that if somebody uses AI to make a book that is substantially similar to mine, the AI company is not liable. That doesn't mean there's no fault. That doesn't mean there's no recourse.

And they just used Athesaurus to swap out five words a chapter. In that court case, if I can prove that this is clearly derivative work, then the person who made the copy with and without AI can be found liable. And so that's the key is that violation of intellectual property rights is the obligation of the user of the tool. Violation of intellectual property rights is the obligation of the user of the tool. If you use Chat GPT to make a book that is substantially similar to mine, and I can take it to court and win, open AI is not liable for that.

It is you. In the same way that if you use Microsoft Word to copy paste my book and change you know 10 words here and there and claim it was yours, Microsoft is not at fault for you using their tool to violate my intellectual property rights. Now, AI makes it easier, right? I what do I always say? AI is an amplifier, it takes the good and makes it better, takes the bad and makes it worse, just like the super serum from Captain America.

Hmm. If AI well AI makes violating intellectual property easier, but it doesn't mean that it is inherently a violation itself. What it does mean is that all the users of AI have to do due diligence when you write a new book. You've got to make you have at least some effort to make sure that you haven't just copied pasted something from somebody else, right? Or if you have to cite it properly and make sure it complies with fair use laws in your jurisdiction.

You, as the user of the tool, are responsible for its outputs, not the tool maker. In the same way that you know, ego or Stanley or Craftsman is not responsible if I run down the street with a chainsaw hacking people up. They have an obligation to make the tool safe to use, right? The chainsaw is not gonna explode in my hands. They have the obligation to make the tool functional, but they do not have an obligation to try to make the tool unusable for someone with bad intentions.

A lot of this is something that my CEO and friend and co and co-founder Katie Robert said. New technology does not solve old old problems, right? The problems that we have of people who are behaving in dishonest or unethical or illegal ways, AI doesn't solve those problems. AI doesn't introduce new problems, right? Stealing somebody else's ideas or violating the intellectual property rights is not new.

These are not new problems to solve. These are existing problems to solve that we as a civilization and as a society have to continue to address. We will not get an AI that will never reproduce a copyrighted work. It is your obligation to make sure that you are not doing that. And it is your obligation if you are the creator of a work to enforce your rights, right?

If you are a visual artist and someone uses Gemini or ChatGPT or Meta to make work similar substantially similar to your own, you can say, hey, I, you know, issue a C synthesis, talk to your human lawyer, issue the C synthesis, pursue it. Um, and if if they refuse to change their ways, then yes, then you sue them, right? That's pretty straightforward. Where a lot of creative folks have an issue, understandably, understandably, I'm not diminishing their concerns, is that AI fundamentally introduces a lot more competition in the field. Because now somebody who does not have graphic skills or cartoon skills, or whatever, can make cartoons that add to the competition in the field, even if it's not reproducing their particular style.

Their concern is it basically devalues their skills. Again, this is not an AI problem. They this is a human problem. Telling people not to use AI will not solve that problem because it's no different than hiring somebody in a developing nation to do the exact same thing at you know, pennies on the dollar, which is what a lot of companies have been doing for decades. AI just makes that work faster and easier and cheaper.

It doesn't make it doesn't solve or introduce new problems. So that's a very long answer to a challenging question. Let's get our terminology right. AI, use of AI and copyright works is not, has been ruled, not a violation of intellectual property rights. When someone violates your intellectual property, they are not stealing because they are not taking away something for you that prevents you use.

They are competing with you economically. And if you want things to change, you have to take an active role in wherever you live, in the laws and the government of wherever it is you live to make your point of view heard and to do that hard work of lobbying. Because yes, all big tech companies have expensive lobbies. You better show if they're doing things that you don't like. That's going to do it for today's episode.

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