You Ask, I Answer: How Secure is Generative AI Data?

In today's episode, Christine asks, can you give a clear answer on data security around generative AI? As in making it hack-proof or preventing leaks. If you are a small shop, it is cost prohibitive to get the enterprise model. But if I can't use chat GPT with real data, what use is a subscription to us? How can a smaller model make sure the data is hackproof if they can't afford the enterprise model?

If it is not safe, it is not usable for real analysis. Okay. I think there's a little confusion about terminology here. So let's let's clean things up a bit. Um data safety occurs in two major areas.

The idea of it being hacked or hacked, I will probably put that to the side right now because that's not really a thing. Where your data will be used by AI companies depends on the terms of service for any given service. And your data is submitted to the company when you use the tool, and that includes your prompts, attachments, things like that, that you push into a system for it to process, right? And pretty much everybody on on in the world collects that information and depends on the terms of service, but almost everybody retains it at least for 30 days, if for no other reason than for liability to prevent um uh issues where somebody does something really stupid, like asks how to build a very bad thing or do a very bad thing. So that's one side.

And whether that data is retained after that 30-day period depends on the terms of service and the privacy settings available to you. For example, in chat GPT, there's a little box that you can uh tap that says um use my data to train future models. You can turn that off. In Teams and Enterprise, it's off by default. In Plus, I'm not sure about Pro, and for sure free, it's on by default.

So you have to turn it off. And it's not difficult to find. Uh, in fact, let me just pull up uh a copy of Chat GPT here, just so we can see where it is, and switch over to desktop mode. Go to settings. You can see here settings under data controls.

Improve the model for everyone. That should be off. Just turn that off. There's no reason to have that on because that's giving away your data to be used for training. Now, so that's one side is the uploaded data can be used by AI companies if you uh if you give them permission or the terms of service say they can.

So your first step has to be read the terms of service. And if you don't want to read them, build a GPT to read them for you so that you can say, How safe is my data. In OpenAI's case, they are still in the midst of a very large lawsuit with the New York Times. And part of the condition of that lawsuit is that they have to retain all data regardless of privacy terms until the lawsuit is resolved. So all that data that's being prompted into OpenAI system that has to be retained, and it may be seen by other people as part of this lawsuit.

So that's always a risk. The second side of the equation is how models use your data for training. When a company, like an OpenAI or an Anthropic or whoever, builds a new model. They use data. They use all as much data as they can get their hands on from as many places as possible and try to have at least some minimum level of quality so that it doesn't screw up the model.

And as part of that, what you submitted, if you gave permission, um, is digested the same as everything else. The way I like to talk about this is pretend you had like a glass full of colored sand. It was in a certain order, like a little rainbow of sand in the uh in the glass, and you went out to the desert, went up to the desert of Maine, and you took that glass, you turn it over and pour the sand out. Sand falls on the ground amidst all the other sand. Could you reach down, scoop up the sand, and get some of your original sand back?

Yes. Is it going to be in the order that was in the cup? No. Could you reconstruct it in the order it was in the cup? Probably not.

And so when your data is used to make new new training data for models, they're not taking the original data. They are taking the statistical representations of your data to learn, like this word more often occurs next to this word as an example. And that's what becomes part of the training data. Is it possible for someone to reconstruct your data inside of a model? Kinda.

What you want to jump? My cat is decided if she wants to get down. You can get down. Go ahead. I don't want you jumping on me.

I'm gonna get you down because I'm in the middle of recording a video. Hello. Okay, off you go. These are the things that tell you that this video is not made by AI. When someone says, hey, you know, chat GPT reconstructed my data.

It probably did not. Could it have imitated it? Sure. Could it have gotten it precisely right? Probably not, because unless your data was so probable and so frequently occurring in the real world, that was easy to reconstruct.

But your actual financials or your actual whatever, unlikely to ever be reconstructed. You would have to know what the original data was to be able to prompt it well enough to reconstruct it, in which case, the that's not really much of a privacy issue if somebody else already knows what the data is. Is it guaranteed? No, because it's probability engines and all generative AI can have you know, it's the whole an infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of times someone will eventually retype Shakespeare. Same exact thing.

It's it's possible. Is it probable? No. So your key takeaways. Number one, you gotta read the terms of service and all the tools you use and understand uh what's going on with your data.

Two, your data as you upload it, as you prompt it, can be viewed by that company, by that provider and the employees who work there. And three, is it likely to show up in training data? Probably not. So your arch competitor, your arch nemesis is not likely gonna be able to reconstruct that data. But your arch competitor, if I don't know, I was starting to get to like Game of Thrones or uh tinfoil hat territory.

If they bribed the uh the safety and trust team at OpenAI uh with enough money, uh, could they get someone to fish out your original documents? I mean, theoretically, yes. Here's the bottom line for all of it the only guaranteed safe AI is the one that you run on your system. So you run a model like GPT OSS 120B or um Quen 3 or any of the open weights models where you put install it on your computers, you run it on your computers, you can turn your Wi-Fi off and it will still run. It's a higher bar to entry, and the models that you can run on a laptop will tend to perform less well than the state-of-the-art models, but those are the only ones that are guaranteed private.

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