You Ask, I Answer: Why You Need an Owned Audience?

In today's episode, Sunil asks, what advice do you have for SEO professionals and digital marketers who want to stay ahead of AI? Okay. Um would be my advice, have an audience. Have an audience. Have an audience that is your audience, that no one can take away from you unless you do something really stupid.

Um that is distinctly yours. So what I mean by that is have an audience that communicates with you in some fashion that where other people's AI is not in the way. That means an email newsletter, maybe even uh a custom printed paper magazine, uh, a Discord server, a Slack server, something where there is nothing between you and the audience. And I realize you're asking about things like SEO and stuff like that. Put SEO aside, put social media aside because those are both intermediated by somebody else's AI.

Somebody else's AI is between you and your customer. And as AI gets increasingly advanced, and as AI gets increasingly smart, and big tech companies increasingly try to seize more traffic and attention and clicks for themselves, they don't want to send you traffic. They don't want to send visitors away from their sites to you, to us, right? Marketers are the enemy of big tech companies. Marketers are the enemy of big tech companies because if we are diverting traffic away from them, they're not retaining audience, they're not selling ads, they're not getting people hooked on their services, they're not encouraging honestly learned helplessness.

If you want to be very cynical is the right word, but if you want to be very blunt about the intention of big technology companies in the AI forward world that we live in, a big part of their remit as tech companies is to make the audience more dependent on them than ever, and to use AI as a way to do that, to not send us traffic of what we paid for, because they have ad businesses to run, and in general, to make life very difficult for marketers who do not pay them money. Marketers who do not pay them money are their enemy. Like that. You starve them with the pension. You take away attention because attention is the oxygen that they thrive on.

Why social media is such a shit dough? Because social media thrives on attention, and what generates attention better than anger and fear, right? Social media makers, meta in particular, thrive on us being angry and afraid. They thrive on us paying attention and doom scrolling all day long. There's a reason why a lot of younger folks abandon public social media because they see it for what it is, it is a giant attention suck.

So my advice to you as a marketer is acquire your audience and get them in some place that is not controlled by others. Not directing. If Slack, Discord, text messaging, email, newsletter, any place you can be where someone else's AI is not in the way. This past year, 2025, Project Insights had our first in-person event. Why?

Not because you know we're gonna become an events company, we're not, but because it was the one of the best ways to get our people in one place, face to face, without somebody else's AI in the way. That is what is so powerful about events. Events put your people in front of you. It's to the point where, as much as I love and adore, all the events will hire me to speak at, and I will continue to show up as long as people still see value in what I have to offer. Let's be clear about that.

I love speaking at other people's events, but I also like seeking at my own events because it's entirely the agenda is set entirely by me. So if you are a marker, start building your own audience. By the way, I don't mean the company's audience, I mean your audience, you personally, you and me, our audience. Who follows you, the person? Because guess what?

You're gonna switch companies a bunch of times in your career, no matter what your age is, whether you're 25 or 75, you're gonna switch careers whether you want to or not, because layoffs are a thing, right? As companies optimize more and more, layoffs are a thing. So you have to build your own audience. You have to have an audience of people who are loyal to you, the individual, as well as the company, but you the individual, so that when things happen, you can take your audience with you. When Katie and I started Trust Insights, we did not start from a cold start.

At the time, you person watching this and 50,000 other people were on my personal email list, the almost timely newsletter list. That allowed us to immediately announce hey, Trust Insights exists. And and if you ever wanted to work with me directly without uh some other company in the way, now is the time. And we launched with clients, we launched with business because I had taken the time to build that life vote. No matter unless you own your own company, unless you own your own company.

I mean really own it, not you know, have sold 96% of it off to venture capitalists. If you don't own your own company, you have no guarantees in life, right? At any minute, somebody could say, you know what, we're gonna lay off 82% of our staff because we're gonna replace you all with AI. Whether or not that's a good idea, whether or not that's makes any sense whatsoever, a company can do that. So if you do own your own company, you obviously have much more control over things like that.

You can still obviously go out of business. Um, and even then, it's not a bad idea to have some kind of insurance policy. The almost timeline newsletter list is now up to 295,000 people. Um, people like you. Thank you for being there.

Um Katie and I have no plans to abandon trust insights. Um, it has been my dream career to run a company like this. But things happen. Right? Things can happen.

Who knows? Media strikes, things like that. So I'm not have no plans to give up the almost timeline newsletter either. You're just my playground. What is your audience?

Where is your audience? And how can you build something that is durable and under your control so that no matter what happens, you have an insurance policy. That is my advice to marketers. Thanks for the question. Talk to you on the next one.

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