This short video that I put together last night for fun shows Pepperoni Hug Spot from 2023. The author used Midjourney and Adobe After Effects (which is why the words look so good and the transitions are smooth) back in May 2023 to put their video ad together.
It was hilarious and mildly horrifying. But for those of us in the AI field, it was the first sign of where the technology was going.
So what does the state of video generation look like two years later? That’s in the second half of the video. Using Google’s Veo 2 model, Eleven Labs, Suno, and Adobe Premiere with almost no editing other than slicing the pieces together to match the narration, we have something that is SHOCKINGLY better.
Can you tell it’s AI? Yes, unquestionably. There are still things wrong – and unlike the original, I forced Veo 2 to generate the text as well.
From horrifyingly bad to pretty damn decent in two years. That’s how fast the field is progressing.
Where will Pepperoni Hug Spot be in 2027? If this rate of progress continues, I would expect agentic AI to make the entire process one-shot. Give it the script, and off it goes.
How I did it: I fed the original into Gemini, had it generate the shot list, had Veo 2 generate the shots, fed the script into Eleven Labs, feed the music composition into Suno, and sewed it all up. Total time to build it all: 24 minutes.
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Let’s tackle these questions. First, in terms of what this would mean for OpenAI’s business, they’ve got to find revenue. It’s long been known that OpenAI is burning cash at a crazy rate to keep up their operations. So, advertising is one potential model. The other model would be to increase the prices of their existing services. When you think about it, ChatGPT as a tool is absurdly priced low for what it delivers. As they’ve debuted new models like the 01 model, it’s clear from the cost of tokens in that model that it is a crazy expensive model for them to run. The hardware requirements and the processing power point towards that model being the future of the company, but at a substantially increased price. Advertising allows someone else to pay the bill other than the users.
Is that the right move for the company? It depends on your point of view. It depends on where they integrate advertising. If they integrate advertising into the core product—into the generative responses themselves—that would likely undermine trust with users. Users might say, “I don’t want you recommending things just because someone paid to have it in the AI response itself from the language model.” There’s also the issue of it being technologically very challenging to get a language model to be steered for those responses. However, if they add the advertising in a format that people are accustomed to—say, search ads, hence their big push for ChatGPT search—that’s more palatable to users because they already see advertising like that. It’s not a great stretch of the imagination to say, “Okay, there’s going to be ads here.”
The unique opportunities come down to the language model being able to return relevant advertising. One of the challenges that people have had with other forms of advertising, especially in social media, is that the ads you get are wildly off target for what you’re talking about. If you’re using ChatGPT search and you’re having a conversation about pogo sticks, having contextual ads that are finally targeted towards exactly what you’re talking about within the context of the response would be of benefit to the user, particularly if it’s clear that the user has different intent. One of the challenges that traditional search-based ads and social ads have run into is that it is not clear the level of intent the user has, or where they are in their customer journey. If, however, the AI is paying attention to the context of the conversation and talking through the use cases of a program with the user, and then it becomes clear from the conversational context that the user actually wants to buy a pogo stick, that would be the opportunity for an appropriate search-type ad to be displayed at that point.
Now, in terms of challenges that OpenAI is going to face, it is all about volume. Most advertisers are used to paying for eyeballs, for tonnage. How many eyeballs can we get on our ads, and paying CPM prices in a lot of cases? OpenAI would have to convince advertisers that their product performs better not on a traffic perspective, but on a performance perspective—that their AI, their language model, successfully identified commercial intent and directed the user when the user was ready to make a purchase. If they can do that, they will be more successful than spending a huge amount on impression-based advertising, say, on Instagram, and may not ever see revenue from that.
On question four, on the potential risks, there’s definitely a risk of trust. It is going to depend on the implementation, where the ads show up, and how clear it is that something is an ad. Consumers generally don’t have a problem with ads as long as the ads are not deceptive and they’re clearly marked. If OpenAI, in the ChatGPT interface, has a response and then there’s a big, bright yellow “Here’s an Ad” block that clearly denotes where the generated answer and the advertising-placed answer are, that would be something I would hope a company like OpenAI would embrace. If, on the other hand, the user can’t tell the difference between a purely generated answer and an advertising-placed answer, that would substantially impact trust because you don’t know whether the answer is actually correct or was paid to be correct. In today’s media environment, where trust is at all-time lows for everything, that could be substantially harmful to their business.
I would expect other competitors, like Google, for example, to shoehorn advertising into their products as well because that’s how they make money. In terms of brand safety concerns, again, it depends on how integrated the language model is with the advertising. If the language model can understand intent and make recommendations at the right time based on the conversation, they will do well. If it just is flinging ads on a primitive keyword basis, it’s going to do poorly because that’s no better than what you can get in traditional search.
Question five: Should OpenAI introduce ads into its AI products? Do they expect the trend will gain steam among developers who don’t currently have ad offerings? I would fully expect that. I would expect that even if OpenAI does not do this, because the pricing in the marketplace has basically been set for individual, paid team, and enterprise AI. A vendor trying to do price increases to cover the cost of operations or to increase profitability is going to be a tough pill to swallow, especially if you’re going up against people who have very deep pockets—Meta, Google, and Microsoft. These companies have enormously deep pockets and they face stiff competition from the on-device and local AI movement pioneered with Meta’s Llama models, which you can download and run yourself on your own hardware, and especially with Apple’s intelligence, where so much of the information processing and AI generation is happening on the device. For a company like Apple, the Apple intelligence offering doesn’t substantially increase their costs. They will act as a price depressor on the marketplace. The only way you can make up revenue when you can’t increase costs because the marketplace won’t support that is with advertising. So, I would expect that to be the case.
In terms of other implications for the sector at large, it really depends on consumer usage. If consumers dramatically increase the amount of AI they use in their daily lives—again, with things like Google’s operating system, Android, with Apple intelligence on Apple devices—and the average consumer gets used to using and integrating AI into their day, that will open the doors for much more advertising. Search as a behavior is the logical answer for a company like OpenAI and many others to try to get into the space because people are already used to doing searches. People know how search works. There’s no new behavior that people need to be told in order to implement search; they just need to choose a different search engine. The promotion of ChatGPT search within OpenAI’s interface is a pretty clear acknowledgment of that position. As more tasks get AI integrated with them, you’ll see more options for advertisers to place things. For example, if you’re on a recipe website and you want to have AI generate a recipe, there are opportunities within that workflow to use AI agents and traditional code to introduce products. So, if you’re asking for a recipe for a Christmas ham and your language model understands that named entity and you have an advertiser, HoneyBaked Ham or whoever, that could be injected in.
As people get used to using AI for more tasks—recipes, looking things up, asking questions, having conversations—there will be more opportunities for advertisers. In terms of predictions for what’s to come on the advertising front, it’s still early days because advertisers themselves have to dramatically change their models. Most advertisers are used to hauling eyeballs—buckets of eyeballs. In a generative AI environment, that is very different. One of the big meta trends in the next couple of years is content on demand. We already see this with tools like Suno and language models like ChatGPT’s GPT-4 and Anthropic Claude, where the user can sit down and say, “I want content for this, write me a story about this, make me a song about this.” As video models get more sophisticated, you can say, “Write me a short film about this and produce it.” These tools will be able to do that. In that environment, traditional media is going to be in a lot of trouble because they will not be able to satisfy users’ specifications for content in the same way that generative AI can. If I want a Hallmark Christmas movie where the person finds the true meaning of Christmas while chasing a serial killer, a language model can create that, a vision model will be able to create the imagery, and then a video model will be able to create that film. Hallmark Studios probably isn’t going to make that. If that’s what I want in that moment and generative AI can create that content in minutes or even seconds, what’s the impetus for me to consume traditional media? The advertising space will have to figure out: A, how do we adapt to an environment where people will watch less produced media and more generated media that fits their needs exactly? And B, how, if at all, do you work advertising into that so you can get your product in front of people that otherwise aren’t going to consume your media?
As we see things like AI chatbots and AI agents increase their prevalence—we already see this in Meta’s environment where you’re allowed to create AI chat partners on Instagram and other related Meta services—the more people talk to either other individuals privately or AI agents and don’t have conversations in public, the fewer media opportunities there are for advertisers to be able to reach audiences. Advertisers have to be thinking very carefully about A, how they build and retain loyal audiences of their own, and B, how they work in an environment where they can’t attach ads to content because content is being generated on the fly by the consumer. There’s no good answer for those advertisers yet, but those who are forward-thinking should be building their community of loyal audiences now before generative AI’s capabilities increase even further.
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Early thoughts and tips on Sora and similar video generators.
Sora in particular works best with its storyboards feature. Hat tip to Nicole Leffer on this – you can cram it full of detail and it’ll behave better.
Be discrete in your instructions. Like ChatGPT, making things structured seems to deliver good results.
For example:
Camera: iPhone
Lighting: fluorescent
Format: 9:16 (even if you specify it in the interface, having it in the prompts helps)
Shot: medium
Framing: subject center right
Mood: dark and stormy
The GPT I put together walks through this. Link in the comments, free to use, no info required, ChatGPT account necessary.
Some domain knowledge of filmmaking/videography is helpful. Like everything else in AI, the more vocabulary you have for describing what you want, the better the results will be. Go watch some tutorials on YouTube to get a lay of the land.
Video outputs from these models are going to pose a HUGE challenge for customer care, something I talked with Brooke Sellas about recently. Brands NEED to have infrastructure in place not just for prominent deepfakes, but for average customer deepfakes as well. There are zero protections built into these tools at present to prevent someone from making a video about terrible food at a restaurant, for example – like the video I ginned up very, very haphazardly.
There are upsides and downsides aplenty. Will this impact creative agencies and filmmaking? Unquestionably. Like we’re seeing in music, it’ll hit B-roll and stock footage companies first, and as the tech improves, gnaw away more and more.
Two example perspectives that can both be true at the same time:
It will reduce paying work for parts of the film and video industry, unquestionably. Profit-oriented companies will use the tech to cut costs as quickly as they can.
It democratizes film and video, allowing people with ideas but no budget the opportunity to create things that are commercially non-viable. Hollywood is probably never going to make that black lesbian dark romance, but you could, for much less than previously possible.
If you work in media of any kind, you have an obligation to at least learn the basics of the tools and try them out, to know what’s possible.
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“Friends: Hi. Real talk: I’m sick of talking about Artificial Intelligence.”
Yes. And it’s all-consuming, yet the funny thing is that lots of us are talking about AI, but not as many of us are talking about how to make great things with AI.
Imagine a blender company that only talked about blenders.
RPMs.
Wattage.
Blade length.
Steel hardness.
Jar size and geometry.
That’s what most of the AI content sounds like. I get it. I’m a super nerd about this stuff. I love talking about neural networks, context windows, agentic systems, etc. and my dog is very tired of it.
But that’s blender talk. Most people don’t care about the blender as long as it works properly.
If we want people to understand and adopt AI, we shouldn’t be talking about blenders. What should we be talking about?
Flours.
Smoothies.
Mochi ice cream.
Homemade Nutella.
Margaritas and daiquiris.
If you don’t know what a blender is or what it does, the RPM of the blade is irrelevant and distracting. But you very clearly understand the value of a nice strawberry daiquiri, blender or not, especially on a hot day. Strawberry, some ice, a bit of mint, and if you’re feeling bold, a little bit of Thai chili. Some lemon or lime juice for brightness, and maybe some honey or agave if the berries are insufficiently ripe.
You can practically taste that.
That makes you feel something.
For those of us advocating for AI, we need to focus less on the blender and more on the daiquiri.
Show your work.
Show your outputs.
Show your thinking.
Let people see the video or the interactive or the podcast and say, “Yeah, that sounds refreshing”. The internal wiring you used to make it doesn’t matter as much as the outcome that people want.
Yes, disclose that you used AI to make it. But help people understand that the tool is not the output.
Less blender, more daiquiri.
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Much has been written about empty ports and empty ships, a result of the trade war the US government has been waging on the world and especially China.
Politics aside, a trade war creates massive supply chain issues. The provenance and lineage of everyday items is laid bare when we see how many pieces come from different places. The fruit you eat may come from Ecuador but the bag it’s wrapped in may come from China.
The car you drive may be made of parts that transit a dozen nations, from casting and molding to wiring to finish. The reality is that we are and have been a global, interdependent economy for decades now.
What this means is that as supply chains break – which we saw during the early days of the COVID pandemic in 2020 – ripple effects flow through the system, and those effects take time to land. A ship that didn’t sail won’t be felt as a shortage until 30-60 days after its assumed date of sailing.
As a business professional, a marketer, a strategist, one of the most important things you can do right this minute is do a strategy exercise, perhaps partnered with generative AI, to explore primary, second order, third order, and fourth order effects of the trade war on your business.
How will the effects show up? Where will they show up? When, if you know your customers’ supply chains, will they show up?
For example, suppose we were a regional bank. Our small business customers might be pressured in the next 30 days by significant cost increases or actual supply shortages. In turn, they might require more lending, or they might draw down their cash reserves. That would show up as a ripple effect for us and our fractional reserve lending 30 days after that.
If you haven’t already modeled the trade war, today is the day to start. Use generative AI tools to backfill assumptions where you don’t have data, especially Deep Research tools – ensuring your in-house SMEs have a chance to review the research outputs. Then run your scenarios so that you have plans for best case, worst case, and status quo as Katie advises all the time.
Plan now or pay later.
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Google’s newest research tool, Gemini 1.5 with Deep Research, promises to do deep research on a prompt/query and return a comprehensive report.
Unfortunately, it has no clue what constitutes credible, especially in very sensitive areas. Here’s an example.
With the naive prompt that the average person might use:
“Do some research on what a healthy amount of chicken egg consumption is for an average American diet.”
It returns a wide, wild range of sources from credible institutions like NIH to randos on Reddit and clearly commercial interests promoting their products.
If you just accept the results at face value, you’re going to get a crazy mash of results – and very likely non-credible, potentially harmful information.
This is why some level of subject matter expertise, or at least knowing what to ask for, is helpful. “Deep research” still requires good prompting.
What’s a “good prompt”? Here’s what I used to generate a much more credible result:
“Do some research on what a healthy amount of chicken egg consumption is for an average American diet. Restrict your research sources only to peer-reviewed studies and research. Explicitly avoid any mainstream media (which is not credible), YouTube, Reddit, Wikipedia, or social media sources. None of those sources are credible. Prefer studies from NIH, the European Medicines Agency, and accredited academic journals in nutrition science. Remember to never, ever use social media content as a source, nor mainstream publications like Forbes, Time, etc. that are not peer-reviewed. A source MUST be peer-reviewed and also have a DOI number. Prefer studies that are within the last 10 years, published since 2014 as nutrition science has greatly changed in the last decade.”
With this, you get a much better result – but you have to know to ask for it. This is the great danger of any tool, AI or otherwise, that promises to make things easy. It does make things easy – but that doesn’t mean it’s correct. And especially in areas like health, law, and finance, it’s generally advisable to prefer correct over easy.
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In today’s episode, you’ll uncover the methods for obtaining transcripts from YouTube videos and understand why these transcripts are valuable for generative AI applications. You’ll explore options like utilizing automated captions, leveraging tools like FFmpeg, and employing dedicated transcription software like OpenAI’s Whisper model. Additionally, you’ll discover the benefits of using alternative transcription software for improved accuracy and handling specialized terminology.
You Ask, I Answer: Getting Transcripts from YouTube Videos?
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Amy asks, “How do you get the transcripts from YouTube videos?” Well, first, we should probably answer, why would you want the transcripts? If you’re going to be using things like YouTube data for generative AI, you might want those transcripts because it’s an awfully handy way to process them.
For example, if I wanted to take all the episodes of this show that I’ve done in the last year and make a book out of it, I would want to grab all the YouTube transcripts from all the episodes and be able to dump that into a model like Gemini or Claude—”let’s build a book from all the shows that I’ve done.” That’s a pretty straightforward use case.
How do you get them? Well, there’s a couple different ways to do this.
Number one, most videos, particularly spoken-word videos, have automated captions.
YouTube has gone and built captions.
There’s a tool called FFmpeg.
You can download this tool, and in that tool, you can give it commands to say, “Here’s the YouTube video URL.” And there’s a specific set of settings that allow you to just download the subtitles; you don’t need to download the video and the audio, you can just download the subtitles.
And then you will have to reformat that into a transcript.
And there’s, again—and then for free—there are many online services; you give it a URL for a YouTube video, we’ll download the captions for you.
The other way to do it that I think is probably somewhat better is to use your own transcription software, download the video itself, or the audio from the video, and feed it to transcription software.
So for example, there’s the Whisper model from OpenAI, which you can—there’s—there’s any number of open-source tools online where you can download the model and the infrastructure, then you hand it a video or a piece of audio, and it will make its own transcript of that video.
Why would you want to do that? YouTube’s transcription engine is not great.
YouTube’s transcription engine, it doesn’t do such a hot job, particularly with things like jargon.
It really struggles with unique industry terms, even spelling out something like ChatGPT.
For example, if you don’t pronounce it with good enunciation, it’s very often substituted as CBT, like cognitive behavioral therapy—like, that’s not what I said.
Using other transcription software like Whisper can often get you better results.
And then you can take those transcripts and deploy them for the purposes you want.
So those would be the two methods that I think are useful.
One is downloading the captions; the other is making your own transcript using a decoder model like Whisper, that very often can be higher quality.
And you can, depending on the model, you can even give them a vocabulary like, “These are the words that I say fairly frequently that are very technical words or jargon”; you can give that to tools, and they will be able to recognize them more easily and substitute them in properly.
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In today’s episode, I revisit my very first podcast marketing talk from 2007! You’ll learn what’s changed and what strategies stand the test of time. Plus, you’ll get insider tips on improving your presentation skills. Ready to cringe and learn along with me?
Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 4/4
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Welcome back.
This is part four, the fourth and final part in our series of the podcast marketing talk that I gave way back in 2007 PodCamp.
Toronto.
So let’s go ahead and finish up this talk and then some, some thoughts about it.
Drill down to any level and see what’s going on.
The last thing I want to talk about, remember, we were talking at Connections show the financially podcast webpage here.
We were talking about calls to action, these things here, right.
Now, how do you know what’s what’s most effective? What should you be promoting, there’s a service that I found that I thought was really nice, cold, crazy IQ, which is a stupid name for really good service.
What it does is it will make your heat map to show where on your site people are pointing.
So what catches their popular whenever much more popular RSS feeds.
Worthless waste of time.
This is from before start promoting it to MySpace popular.
One thing it’s not in here, because this is a snapshot from a while ago, is if you have an mp3 link right inside your blog post that’s very, very hot, because people say Oh, this is post click on it.
And this is when I flashplayer is on my site, people click on that all the time, popular blog posts,
like at the top here randomly.
The nice thing is the entire header is linked back to the homepage.
So they always get back to the homepage, about your stuff.
So make sure this is a great way to see what’s effective on your website.
And what is not is certainly installing like a snippet of code.
Like Google Analytics, exactly like if you use WordPress or any other blogging software, you can put it in the footer file, and it’ll it’ll run automatically what’s called, that’s called CrazyEgg.
Like pull that slide back up here is a paid service if you want lots and lots of things, but if you’re just going to do a quick hit, they will let you do a 14 day free trial.
So make your website optimized as much as possible, then let it run until your trial runs out.
Then if you’re really easily signed with a different email address.
You don’t have to do that anymore.
Nowadays, if you use Microsoft clarity, it is totally free.
Just pull it up real quick here.
So clarity, you go in, you sign up for your free account, you install, you get your copy, paste your tracking code.
And then within Clara don’t think I have any projects set up on this particular account.
You get heat maps, you get us a statistics, you get a top level statistics about who you know this page has this made people bouncing off of it.
It’s a and you get recordings to get anonymize recordings, so you can watch the person’s cursor on screen moving around, you know, struggling to use your website.
So it is definitely the preferred tool these days.
Again, because it’s it’s totally free.
Don’t do that hold them pretending you’re a deaf person, you just install it.
Why is it free? Well, because Microsoft realized that Google Analytics gets an enormous amount of data for free from almost every website out there because their software is free.
And they use that with Google ads.
Microsoft wanted to have something that would give them equivalent types of data.
So they built clarity, and they’re giving that away for free to focus as a way to get that data for presumably the Bing advertising system.
Well.
Takeaway evangelists count the most, no matter what you’re doing.
In terms of your efforts, podcasting, having people who are working for you, to promote your stuff is key because it reduces your workload and keeps your sanity intact.
I actually disagree with that.
Now, evangelist is still important.
For sure evangelists are still important but if you don’t have the loyal base to begin with, focusing in on evangelist while not keeping your happy people happy is kind of putting the cart before the horse.
If you can make people deliriously happy with your products and services, you can make people deliriously happy with your show.
They will share it by nature they will they will do that for you.
So it’s important to keep an eye on evangelist but really focus on making the very best content you possibly can and making your audience deliriously happy.
And then evangelists kind of takes care of itself.
Most of the tools that except for the friend adder are free or Leo free trials that you committed to making sure easy to promote as many different ways as possible.
And give it a try.
He was the reason advertising.
Any questions.
Okay, so that was me from 2007 I think it was to that so let’s 2007 Or just right after that.
Many things with podcast marketing has stayed the same, right? You still got to have good content.
You still Gotta have intelligent calls to action, you still got to have an easy to remember, product, right? Your podcast is your product, if you are selling entertainment, you’re selling education, you are selling content to people, and they are paying with their attention.
That’s why we call it paying attention because you are selling something and people have to pay for it with their time, their energy and their efforts.
So if your show is not resonating as much as you would like, if your show is not growing as fast as you would like, one of the things to ask yourself is, am I am I doing enough to get people to pay me in their attention for what it is that I’m selling.
A lot of companies companies especially are really bad at podcast, and because they’re so focused on selling something that like a product or service or something’s revenue generating.
And they’re missing the point that before you can sell something for currency, you have to sell something for attention.
And if people don’t pay attention, they will not pay currency.
If, if people do not pay attention, they will not pay with money.
And that’s a lesson that a lot of corporate podcasts have learned the hard way, as evidenced by the fact that you go into Apple podcasts.
There are so many companies and so many company podcasts that have like eight episodes.
And that’s it.
And they you know, they pod faded, they stopped after eight episodes years ago.
And you’re like, Well, this is the podcast graveyard, because they did not have that content that people actually wanted.
It doesn’t take a year and a day to get someone to pay attention to your show if your show is something people actually want.
It does take time to ramp up.
What has changed the most since 2007.
For podcast marketing, really just the tools, what tools you use and what practices are no longer allowed doing things like automating social media accounts, that’s no longer allowed in a variety of ways, using things like Google Analytics to measure your show website.
still relevant, still valid using any kind of, of analytics would be good.
podcast analytics itself has not changed much for the average podcast now for shows that have budget to spend there, obviously are incredible measurement programs that are statistically valid, that are that are rich, user surveys, listener surveys, care of market stuff, there’s research firms, like sounds profitable, that do exactly that.
There are companies like Edison Research that do exactly that.
And they are reassuringly expensive.
For the small to midsize show where you don’t have a lot of budget, you’re still looking at things like downloads.
That’s one of the reasons why your community is so important, because your community will give you that data, particularly if you have an accompanying email newsletter, which every show should have after a show goes out there should be an email of some kind that tells people to shows up, out so you can get that listenership.
And then you can run diagnostics, you can run demographic data on that email list.
There are services like Clearbit, or Hubspot, that can take an email list and augment it and tell you demographics and firma graphics and things about your audience.
So one of the things you want to do is try to capture that information from the audience get ask them to help you out with it.
Other things like running listener surveys, you can do that without spending a dime, you can set up a Google form or a form on your website and ask people questions like, How did you hear about our show? was the reason you keep listening to it? what three things would you improve about our show? If you had a magic wand? All those your standard CX questions you should be asking of your listeners on a regular basis.
One of the things that I do in my almost timely newsletter is I have a survey and that survey runs every app every issue and there’s it’s just a one click Do you like it? Thumbs up? Thumbs down? Did you like this issue or not? That is that feedback is vital to making your podcast successful.
And finally, no substitute for the for the truth, your shows got to be worth listening to.
It’s got to sound good enough that people it doesn’t hurt people’s ears.
It doesn’t have to you don’t need a million dollars of gear to do it just has to not be offensive.
And then you’ve got to have content that people want that people desperately want that people would pay for.
One of the simplest and best questions that you can ask an audience is to let them know you’re probably not going to do anytime soon.
But if you were to pay for my show, how much would you pay for it? You know, 1 a month a10 a month? 100 Ozma? Nothing.
If the vast majority of your audience says nothing.
Your show is not that good.
There’s there’s no no sugarcoating.
It shows us not as good if no one it’d be willing to pay for it.
If someone was be paying, willing to pay even $1.
For listening to your show, then you know that you’re you’re sharing value.
Finally, let’s talk about the presentation.
So a couple of things have really changed since since way back then.
I do still talk reasonably fast.
But my friend and informal in frequent speaking coach Tamsin Webster, who’s listened to my talks has said, I just go full, I used to just go full blast all the time.
Now, I try to vary the cadence to give people time to keep up to take a pause, and people’s brains catch up.
And that’s really important.
It’s okay, if you speak fast, as long as you don’t speak fast continuously.
It’s okay to speak fast.
As long as you don’t speak fast continuously, who give people a chance to take a break mentally, in your speech cadence, that helps.
Another thing that I don’t do nearly as much there’s, I used to pace a lot on stage I found that did two things.
One, It distracted me.
And two, it distracted the audience.
So now what I do most of the time, and you can see this in a lot of my videos is I pick my spot and I stay there, that has the side benefit of making it very easy to fill myself, I can set up a camera in the back of the room and I know where on stage I’m going to be I will give myself maybe like two feet to which to be in so I can turn and face different parts of the audience.
But I will typically just route myself on one spot, then I can reference things on stage and know where they are.
And then later on, when I’m processing the video, it’s easier.
So you will see in some of the talks I give now, I will route myself in one spot.
And I will lean toward I will refer to even though there’s projections and screens on both sides who I will refer to one side specifically.
And what I’m doing is I know I have the camera position so that I am stage usually stage left in the camera.
And there’s a big open space on my right hand side the the audience left.
And that’s where I’ll put an overlay of the slides, I will add and post production later because the slides never come look come out looking good in a video.
So I’ll shoot the video just myself.
And I will know that if I am going to stand in one spot and look to the right, when I added it in the video later on, it’s going to look much better.
So that’s why I don’t pace anymore.
Because I was pacing.
I couldn’t do that.
I kind of move the video all the time.
Where’s the slides gonna go with this? This this time it doesn’t work.
I also changed presentation structure quite a bit.
There are any number of formats you can use.
There’s still the show that that format from Michael Port, there is fine, the red thread from Tamsin Webster.
And then what I use most is the Trust Insights framework, the five p framework purpose people process platform and performance.
Why are we talking about this thing? What is this thing? People process platform? And how do we know it’s working performance? That for a talk structure seems to work pretty well.
For me, it’s sort of why, what how,
as opposed to just having just a lot of information that doesn’t have a coherent narrative.
So this whole talk was podcast marketing.
And it gave a lot of a tactic things for people to try.
But it doesn’t have a framework that says, here’s the end goal, the end goal is to get more listeners to your podcast, from that end goal.
Why do we want that because you want more business, you want a personal brand, whatever.
And then you can dig into the peaceable process platform, but you’ve got to have that structure.
One of the things that you can do and you should do with any talk that you’re going to give or plan to give is find a framework that makes sense to you write it out, you know, write a couple of paragraphs of what the framework is why, what how, six W’s for red thread, you name it, feed it to the generative AI system of your choice, Gemini ChatGPT, whatever and say, Here’s my talk, outline or slides or whatever.
Here’s the framework that I want to use, how well does my talk align with this framework? And how would you reorder it to make it more coherent to find that, that flow and pattern and logic and rhythm within the talk? Again, that’s something that not a lot of folks do.
And it’s a way to very easily make any presentation, whether it’s inside a company, whether it’s in a PodCamp, whether it’s, you know, at a TED talk, it can make it so much better.
There’s other frameworks, you know, this talk like Ted and all those other sort of TED Talk frameworks.
Again, you can take those outlines or those concepts, write a prompt in generative AI and then have AI rearrange your talk to make it more coherence to make it flow better to make it easy for people to understand.
And critically, to tell you what to leave out.
Say like, Yeah, this isn’t relevant.
If this is your purpose.
Then this slides gotta go.
So I’ve changed a lot in the 17 years since This, this old talk of me.
And hope.
And podcast marketing has changed a lot.
And yet it hasn’t, right? The Timeless Principles of having content people want, make it easy to share, making it easy to find.
That hasn’t changed.
And I think that’s the final most important lesson here is the basics don’t change, right? The basics of marketing, don’t change the technologies do the how we do it, the execution that changes all the time, but the strategy doesn’t really change.
And so if you find that you’re not getting good results, with your strategy, make sure your strategy is sound that look at the tactics, what are you doing, and then look at how you’re doing those things.
And somewhere along the way, you’re going to find the disconnect about the things that are working the things that are not.
I hope that you’ve enjoyed this this reaction video series.
It has been a lot of fun to go through, and it’s been a blast in the past.
So thanks for tuning in.
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In today’s episode, I react to my super old podcast marketing presentation. You’ll see how crazy things were back in the MySpace era and discover the timeless techniques that are even more effective today. Whether you’re a newbie or a seasoned pro, there’s something for you in this video.
Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 3/4
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Christopher Penn 0:00
Welcome back.
This is part three of my podcast marketing talk from PodCamp.
Toronto 2007 are looking back at this talk 17 years later to see what’s changed what’s the same, why my hair is the color it is now.
But let’s go ahead and dig right back in where we left off.
If any of you ever used iTunes, and played a, an mp3 in there, there’s things called ID three tags.
We’ll try this again, Id three tags are what is in this little info box here.
Right, so you have name field and stuff like that.
And you can specify all these things I pull up, let’s see if we have
this is where if someone’s going to share this mp3 file, just as it is, this all is data goes with it.
So it makes sure that you have your email address, your dial in number, your instant messenger address, all this goes in the ID three tags, tag and make sure that if you’ve got a tagline for your show, it goes in there.
Yes, another benefit a lot of podcast tags is if you do them properly, you get picked up and things like Last fm and the Google Talk music plug in.
If you don’t put these in, those things don’t pick you up.
So all those things are things that automatically create profiles and branding and extra tracking things.
You can go to those things, enter a URL, and it’s one more place that people can find you in some of these other services.
So the upshot is, there’s there’s lots of good reasons to do this.
And more than you might be aware of,
are you editing your ID three.
So Id three tags, they do still exist, they are still part of mp3 files.
But again, most of the time, your services should just do this automatically.
So if we pop back over here to Libsyn, this is an episode recent episode of In-Ear Insights.
I specify the episode title, I put the description and stuff like that make those nice clickable links.
And then down at the bottom now I just say Update ID three tags when I published the show, and it does it for me.
So you don’t have to manually do this anymore.
You haven’t had to manually do it three tags in a really long time.
That said, a lot of people back then were not doing them.
And you heard Jamuna talking there that very much is the case where yeah, if you don’t do those things, you you do miss out on that extra metadata.
But these days, just let the software do it for you.
Before you upload, yes, I am.
Yes, I am.
If you have a show logo, this is a great place to put it like it shows up as the album mark when you’re playing on an iPod.
So it’s good chance for you to establish some more branding.
You might say, I’m a podcaster.
If I’m not a music podcast, you’re like, Jay, what in the world will you do with the lyrics tab.
That’s a great place to put all your show notes.
So that somebody who takes this file and looks into it, they have all this stuff.
It’s it’s a self contained show, it is easy for them to find stuff to read about what’s going on.
This also because it’s metadata gets indexed and things so make sure it is just as high quality as the stuff you post on your blog.
So let’s talk about some tools.
Let’s talk about five tools that I like to use.
Number one is a friend added from MySpace, I am a huge proponent of marketing on MySpace because well there’s 150 million people on there, somebody’s gonna listen to my show.
trick is finding them.
You can’t just add people randomly and you can but you’ll get very, very low returns.
So if we go into
into my space here
the funny thing about friend adder is brand adder was a piece of software that basically just mass added people as friends to your MySpace profile.
And these days that’s kind of frowned upon these days.
That’s that’s something that people would prefer that you not do.
Fix this looks really awful.
skipass little green circle in the upper left of your browser.
Thank you.
Do you think I know that being technology person looking, make sure your MySpace profile is robust, that’s got your show.
And it has got your same calls to action that are on your blog and your web page.
If you have such things, make sure you have a flash player, this one’s by feed player.com They will give it to you for free and allows people to have mp3 right on the page.
If you have videos on YouTube, this is a great place to put them.
When it comes to looking for friends though on MySpace that gets a little bit trickier.
So this piece of software I really like her friend had her.com and what it does is it lets you do demographic searches on MySpace for you know what kinds of people you’re interested in.
If there’s a band that you like you want and you want to recruit their friends, you can go after them that way.
If there’s a person on MySpace who is say maybe a competitor if you’re in doing business podcast recruit all their friends and add them as friends to you.
Needless to say, these types of software do not work anymore.
In fact, most social networks are really good at detecting them, and then permanently banning your account.
There are a bunch of companies that do offer packages like this, particularly on LinkedIn, there’s one called length script, LinkedIn scraper links helper or something along those lines, I can tell you with absolute certainty, they will get you banned.
I set up a burner profile probably about six months ago and deployed one of them just because I wanted to see if anything had changed.
And it ran for about an hour, it managed to send out about 250 connection requests.
And then 30 minutes later, that whole account was permanently banned.
So in general, this process and this habit of going out and and using automation on social media profiles, not really effective, in some cases, in most cases, a violation of the terms of service, in some cases, possibly illegal depending on on where you live, and stuff.
So this is good for a laugh now.
It was allowed back then.
But no, not anymore.
This is a very handy way of automating the process, you can request up to 400 people a day on MySpace to be added as friends.
I do not advocate sending messages like sending messages or leaving comments without someone being a friend first.
Because to me, that’s kind of going over the line into spam friend requests this kind of gray list in my book.
Yes, sir.
Also, this whole deck is on the wiki for this.
Yeah, it’s it’s on the wiki.
So again, if you feel like it’s going by too fast, it probably is.
That’s I apologize, but it is on the wiki.
Okay, so how do you find people to add on to my space? This is a very good question, because you want to find people who are going to be interactive with your show.
Previously, I used to do just sort of general demographic search, like I’m looking for men and women between the ages of 18 and 21, in the United States college age, but most of them were not interested in what I had to say.
I ended up with a lot of bands, 29,000 friends, but very few of them were valuable.
So there’s two services Technorati, which you may or may not use as a blog search tool, and Google blog search.
So let’s go.
If you’re doing a podcast and you have a topic matter, you need to think about what terms what words that you use in your vertical that nobody else uses in polite conversation, like, for example, in financial aid, for those of you who are Canadian, American Financial Aid is for is required, because our government does not subsidize higher education to any great degree, which is unfortunate.
So let’s look for the word FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid in America.
This is not a term that you would use casually, this is not a term that you were hanging out with your friends drinking Saturday night.
You don’t use this word you only use this for in relation to financial aid, which means it is ideal for in my market.
Tech, nobody will give you people who are blogging using that term.
You can see that and here’s one look on MySpace blog.
MySpace URL.
Neither Technorati nor Google blog search exist anymore.
So again, this is kind of a fun historical artifact.
However, using intelligent show titles, using intelligent descriptions using intelligent jargon within your content, that’s still works.
In fact, that works better today than it ever has, because of the artificial intelligence, generative AI in particular, when you invokes very specific terms that are jargon in your field, those tools will have a much better understanding what context you’re talking about.
And as a result will yield better results.
If you’re writing content about financial aid, and you want a reference the FAFSA, yeah, it’ll perform much better.
So you, even though conceptually, we don’t do this stuff anymore, because these these blog directories don’t exist anymore.
You absolutely should still be doing this with tools like Yoast, or rankmath.
Within your, your blog, work, because Google syntax is similar across all the sites.
However, there’s one flaw with Google blog search that the main engine doesn’t have.
They don’t give you the URL on the page.
Right? Right.
We’re not what the ones are friend IDs.
If you want to be really, really evil about it, take the entire page and find all the text that has the thread ID.
You can skip this process, obviously.
And it gives you a list of all different ideas, play the whole list in to your friend data, and you’re all set.
In the process of using search results to scrape identities out of search listings and feed them into automation tool, very, very not allowed anymore.
There are any number of consumer privacy laws now that again back then did not exist now very much exist.
Don’t do this.
Just upsa Don’t sell it, but we actually will keep giving it away.
So.
So that is Oh, yeah, I know how to use this.
So that’s Technorati and Google blog search.
It’s a great way to pull down the people on MySpace who are interested in you.
Now that with Facebook, Facebook is a different game entirely Facebook, see MySpace is nice because MySpace is indexed by Google like crazy.
So you can leave comments on people’s pages as a tool for that, by the way, and if you were talking relisting to Julian’s inbound links talk, leaving comments on MySpace pages was great way to build lots and lots of inbound links are very quickly with the queue.
It’s so funny because we talked about commenting strategy these days on social media, particularly on LinkedIn, but also on Instagram.
Not for building inbound links, because most if not all, social networks no longer count as as valuable links for search engine optimization purposes.
But for building thought leadership for building your network on social media, that strategy of just going around and commenting on things still works today.
Arguably, if you’re as long as you’re doing it as a human, it works better.
I did a piece not too long ago with Ashley fosse and Hannah Sabo about their commenting strategy on LinkedIn and building relationships with people just do commenting, and it works really, really, really well as long as you do.
And you’re not using one of those AI bots, that leaves exactly the same stuff commented.
Anyway, that’s topic for another time.
But yeah, leaving comments as a way to catch people’s attention.
Highly effective still, years later, whatever your choice.
Facebook is different, because everything is behind the login screen, so Google can’t see it.
What it is good for is finding people who are already your friends, if you use a service, like LinkedIn, you can export all your contacts out, but just the email addresses, go to Facebook, they import my contacts, and now suddenly, anyone who on LinkedIn is your friend, now they can become friends on Facebook, they can then help from LinkedIn stopped doing that.
A few years after this, I believe they closed that door, I want to say in the early 2010s.
Now when you export your LinkedIn profile, you will only get a very, very few email addresses you people can still choose to have their LinkedIn email address exported in their contacts, but you have to opt into that rather than opt out of it.
And so if you export your LinkedIn contacts today, you’ll get like five email addresses out of like 1000 people.
It’s not worth doing proselytizing, evangelize things like events, I think it’s just the number one way to promote on Facebook.
If you’re talking about basic website search engine optimization program I really like it’s called Web CEO.
And what web CEO does is you pointed at a PC only, by the way, so if you’re on a Mac, you have to you have to run something virtually, you pointed at any web page, it’s free for up to three websites.
And it’ll tell you what you need to do to make your site rank better in major search engines, Google, Yahoo, MSN, this is Julian’s page for in over your head dotnet.
You can see he doesn’t have a title tag and in the header of the page with those terms in over your head of the hip hop podcast, it’s not as close to the title as it should be.
description tag is missing.
That gives you a recipe a whole laundry list of how to improve your website how to make it rank better.
This is good.
This is basic stuff that doesn’t take a whole lot of work.
And the rewards pay off because chances are if you are in a competitive space, just by doing these things alone, you will increase your convert you will increase your competitive edge
by about 90%.
So I think web SEO still exists.
It is definitely not the premier program for SEO anymore these days.
It’s sort of a triumvirate, right, so the SEMrush is H refs and SpyFu.
And well, I guess quad and mas are sort of the four big SEO tools that most people are familiar with the concept is exactly the same, which is here’s your content.
Here’s your website.
Let’s tune it as best as we can to attract attention.
But those specifics on that specific software package.
I haven’t I can’t think I’d have to go Google and see if it still exists or not.
Google Analytics if you don’t use that already, I won’t done with it because it’s a pain in the butt to get running.
But it is just website statistics on crack you can what a surprise in 2024 It’s still a pain in the butt to get set up even more so now than it ever used to be.
It’s been four years since Universal Analytics was retired which didn’t even exist back then.
Back then it was 2007 would still would have basically been urgent analytics just with the Google Analytics skin on it.
The other tool bunch of their Crazy Egg is user interface testing software to do things like heat maps and things today.
The best tool for that is Microsoft clarity.
It is free.
You install any website and you can do things like heat maps and click tracking and understand the user experience on your website.
Drill down that is the end of part three of our podcast marketing talk.
We’re gonna pick up with the last and final part tomorrow.
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In today’s episode, I’m reacting to my own podcast marketing presentation from 17 years ago! You’ll see what strategies still work today (and which ones don’t). If you want to improve your podcast marketing game and get a few laughs along the way, this video is a must-watch.
Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 2/4
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Christopher Penn 0:00
Welcome back to part two of our our podcast marketing react video from the from 2007.
This is an ongoing series, looking at a very old talk that I did from 2007 to PodCamp.
Toronto.
Be sure to check out the previous episode.
So let’s, let’s go right back into it.
Again, that goes back to evangelism and social bookmarking services.
How many people here use delicious? Okay, StumbleUpon.
Okay, good.
StumbleUpon is delicious of the two that we’re going to focus on talking about.
Those, those services used to be huge dig and delicious, way back in the day, they’re gone, they’re gone.
So once you’ve got a visitor, you’ve used various tools to get a visitor to your site, you have to convert them to a listener, there are a number of ways to do that.
The easiest way is to give them as many choices as possible within reason to listen to your show.
You need to have multiple channels and deliveries, if you just have an RSS feed.
If I tell my mom, no digging is my mom, hey, my show has got an RSS feed, she will look at me blankly and offer me another cookie.
That’s just not helpful.
So things like iTunes, things like a flash player built right into your home page.
Let me see if I can tap out of here without breaking the presentation.
Flash Player.
Oh, man, that part though, is still true in that the delivery of your show is important.
And one of the things you should be looking for these days is just getting using a good service a service that will distribute your show to as many places as possible.
The show that I use most of all is one called Libsyn.
This is this is the the the In-Ear Insights podcast, you can see we have all the destinations in here, Apple podcasts, poskitt, Spotify, I heart, radio, radio, public Deezer, Amazon music, and then as pub as destinations become available, you can add them in and you can tune them up.
So Samsung boomplay, etc, etc.
All of these things are things that the service handles automatically.
So I don’t have to sit here and manually submit my show.
In the old days, that was exactly what I had to do.
And we all had through this stuff by hand to each destination.
So make sure that you’re using a good podcast distribution service on the audio side.
And then on the video side, YouTube for sure.
Think about doing 62nd video snippets of your show because you’re doing video right? On Tiktok on Instagram, on YouTube as shorts.
And there again, there are services Opus clips is one that’s very popular, where you give it the full video file and it will produce the 30 or 62nd clips for you automatically, you may need to tweak it.
But it’s one way of creating those extra pieces of content that you can then distribute everywhere.
It wouldn’t be invented for another year after this talk.
But my friend Todd Devran came up with what we call the content atomization strategy.
Take your piece of content, video, for example, carve it up and distribute it in as many places as you possibly can.
What you want have multiple calls to action, easy calls to action and things that people are going to recognize.
So for example, we have iTunes, we have when amp this went up is a streaming and media mp3 player for the PC 55 million users of it podcasting support, and it’s terrible, absolutely terrible.
But if you can work your way into doing a one click thing with it, it works really well.
RSS, make sure that people have access to your MySpace page.
Orpheus is one of most popular file sharing programs online.
And back then, just the old days, we had to go somewhere, we had to walk uphill both ways still.
But back then we had to manually hand code our RSS feeds was not fun these days.
Again, using any service WordPress, your WordPress blog, you link it to an mp3 file, it will automatically generate the RSS feed.
So you don’t need to do that.
But it’s good to have that feed available.
It is good to have links to the major social networking sites that if you’ve got active pages on them back in that ancient days of podcasting, MySpace was a a viable channel MySpace was to social media then would Facebook is to social media.
Now, it’s still not the largest number of users, so it’s definitely a place to go.
I have also highly amused the fact that my desktop there, this is 2007 some of those programs still exists keynote BB Edit, which is the software editor, text editor nice just to have to everything and that duck is Cyberduck.
That is an FTP client still exists today.
So even though this is 17 years later, it’s still there’s still some recognizable friends there among the lowest among college kids because colleges and universities cannot block it.
It also has podcasting support built into it, which is very nice.
So make sure you have lots and lots of different ways for people to take out To listen to your show, if I go to the other side of the screen here that did not work.
Library.
Make sure you have lots of different ways for people to listen to a show.
That’s how you convert them to a listener, you make it so easy make it one click.
If it takes more than one click for someone to listen to your show, they’re not going to listen to it make things like FeedBlitz.
If you use Feedburner, there are things with your RSS feed your shows feed can be turned into an email, this is surprisingly popular 30% of my audience gets my show by email
I would guess putting the file inside a PDF, I don’t actually know.
RSS feeds can incorporate PDF documents in them.
So if you link up a PDF as immediate enclosure, it will show up in most podcast players, they will not be able to play it.
So you will see an apple podcasts as a downloadable file.
But like Spotify won’t work.
So your best bet is putting that on your own own website.
It is also funny that back then, I clearly did not know how to use multiple windows in on a computer.
That by the way, is a a Macintosh with this, the PowerBook g4.
So this predates the MacBook, that’s all this is not right yet.
But now
I can put video inside of PDFs, but I don’t know if they’re self contained or if they need to be referenced somewhere up to try want to get home.
Oh, they were asking you to put audio files inside of a PDF.
Why would you do that? That’s why would you do that weird turning listeners into subscribers is your next step.
So once you get somebody to listen to the show, number one thing, of course is going to be content that’s kind of a given.
Make sure you have calls to action inside of your show because these are mp3 files for the most part, which means that people will share them, that’s what you want.
But if there’s no way to, for them to know what what is it listen to or how to get to it.
They’ll listen to them.
And that was really cool.
And not necessarily find you again.
So make sure nobody shares mp3 files.
I’m not sure anyone shared mp3 files back then.
But nobody does that today, what people do share links, they share links to a Spotify list, they share links to an Apple Music list.
So make sure that you are on those services.
And it is it is a good idea in the show a call to action that is still a good idea.
You shouldn’t be telling people within your show.
Please share this episode with your with your friends, please share it on your social media profiles, please email this show to people.
And again, this is where having that audible domain name is comes in handy can say hey, tell your friends to go to trust insights.ai/ti podcast or tell your friends to go to Marketing over coffee.com Or you say in your show somewhere.
Hey, you’ve been listening to the financial aid podcast get more at financially podcast.com.
And they’ll know what to do after that.
Again, making things one click as easy as possible.
How many people here use the podcast will iTunes? Okay, good? How many people have a one click Subscribe on your button on a website.
If you have a podcast? Where does it go? Somewhere? Tell me where that clip goes, what happens?
Just pops open? Well, first of all, it loads up iTunes, if you don’t have iTunes already installed, and it prompts you to download it.
Then it goes to the iTunes directory and right to your page where the listener can actually preview all the episodes.
And also subscribe, okay,
you just described was a an HTTP link to the well the URL is Phobos dot something on Apple, that’s sometimes good.
Sometimes good because that uses Apple’s directory which has been known to lose podcast to be significantly delayed.
There’s another way of doing it.
It’s called ITPC of like HTTP but ITPC instead, AI TPCC and then the URL to your feed that will pop it directly into iTunes, make it open up that way I just had.
That’s payment that has changed substantially since those days.
The way it works today, if you want to share an episode, just go to your apple podcast player or Spotify or whatever.
And just click on the little three button thing there and to say, share this episode.
And you will you’ll have the ability to drop it to just send the link to texted somebody way less trouble than it used to be.
This is this is the early days when Yeah, this stuff was not very smooth or very, very well thought out by the tech companies.
I had my key cast and just trying to figure out what the differences the podcast was an older version of the ITBS handle either one works, either one was fine.
Now one thing you can do to make it even easier is if you send somebody an ITP CityLink an email.
It just shows up as text If you send people an HTTP link in your, in their email, when you’re marketing a show, when it’s in your email signature, that all hyperlinks you’ve probably seen this in Gmail, and outlook and things that creates a link for you automatically just out of text.
The way you do this is what’s called a 301 redirect.
I should probably put it I’ll put a link up on the wiki rather than actually delve into the syntax of how to do that here.
Because well, we haven’t got a lot of time.
Again, remember, when you’re converting people, from listeners to subscribers, it all needs to be a channel needs to be word of mouth, things that people can remember.
Yeah, I mean, having 301 redirects is a good idea still.
So for example, if you go to ChristopherSPenn.com, slash newsletter, it will route you to the right place, I would strongly suggest that people do that, especially with their social media channels.
So if you have a podcast like marketing over coffee.com, having marketing over coffee.com/youtube, or slash, Facebook, slash whatever, and then having those things, redirect the user to the appropriate place is a good idea for a couple of reasons.
One, you can get better statistics by having those those links be trackable.
If you’re using a software like rankmath, for example, on your WordPress blog, it will keep track of the stats for you can use it with a link shortener if you’ve got your own link shortener.
And critically, if you need to redirect that traffic again, later, it is under your control.
You don’t have a gazillion links all over the web that you need to go change, you can go and change.
You know, let’s say you open up a threads account today, you want to take marketing over coffee.com/twitter.
And you just want to silently repoint, that to threads, having that redirect on your control, much easier to do that than going to all the places where people linked up the, you know, your twitter.com/marketing over coffee address and trying to get those change.
So redirects in general, are something that should be always under your control, and you should be using them to make it easier to future proof your show easily.
remembering things easily when you turn a subscriber into an evangelist.
If your shows URL, your shows name is not easy for people to remember and spit back out to others.
It’s they won’t refer it as easily they’ll say yeah, go to listening dash to dash my dash show.com.
No one’s going to remember that.
But listen to the M Show.
Listen to NuCalm wrote all these things, make it easy.
Make your sharing your website super easy.
Give tools that have things like little Chiclets, say, hey, share my show, give them the HTML to copy and paste.
And we’ll textbox a good example of this.
And see if we can make this work here.
There’s a website here called bum rush the charts.
Take it to the to the screen.
Now we got to worry about that later.
They’re on there as a little text.
Yeah, pretty obviously, these days, any of the visuals like that stuff clicking out, they just go into separate slides for a ease of presentation.
That’s much better off as a set of slides.
But you know, podcasts were very informal.
They were they were very much for people to share knowledge without doing it in a polished professional way.
And that you you obviously can’t if you want to.
But they were really meant for for people who want to share something, but would not be invited to speak at a different conference.
And so that was really the impetus.
But definitely watching this and watching me, you know, click around things does make me cringe a little bit like Yeah, that should have just been a slide.
But when people can really highlight some HTML, copy and paste onto the MySpace page or whatever, make it so easy for them.
Give people a reason to promote your stuff.
A great example is podsafe bands, I have a show about financial aid, which, among other things sounds like the most boring thing in the world.
And most of the time it is.
But I do play a lot of podsafe music from different bands.
And by promoting bands by promoting their work to your audience.
In return more times than not, they will promote your work back, they will link back to you, which is a good source of inbound links.
So if you’re doing a show, Daily Show or weekly show, you can have all these other people linking to you make sure you leave comments on their MySpace page on the band’s MySpace page so their fans can find your show.
I do this a lot with almost
too much effort.
Make your show self contained.
The quid pro quo probably shouldn’t have named it that but it’s it’s an accurate reflection of reality.
These days we call them collabs.
Right? When you see audiences promote, you know, you see shows cross promoting other shows their collabs and that advice is still valid.
YouTubers do that a ton.
Instagram folks do that ton podcasters not as much, which has always been a bit of a mystery as to why podcast just did not do that when everyone else does that too.
So I’m not sure why.
But yeah, I mean, that’s still a perfectly valid tactic and one that I would encourage you to do with your show, find ways to loop in other people who will help you promote your show, do guest interviews.
You know, one of the hallmarks of marketing over coffee is by half the shows are with guests.
The guests are usually promoting the latest book or they’re there or whatever.
Well guess what they’re gonna do? Yeah, if you if this episode is about them and their book, of course, they’re going to reshare it with their, their community.
So you want to leverage those relationships as much as possible to get your show in front of as many people as you can.
And when they’re on tour, they book their new talk, their new company, whatever, and they’re trying to promote like crazy, that is the best time to get them.
One of the things that has always been a skillet a superpower of my partner, John Wall, on on marketing over coffee is his ability to just land on top tier authors.
You know, people like Seth Godin, and David Meerman, Scott and and many, many others, because he has relationships with publishers because he got in early with a lot of these folks before they were mega names and now when they’re on tour, you can get people to pretty much show up for anything and especially when the rest of the time they wouldn’t give you the time of day, but when they’re promoting the book, they will show up.
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