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What’s On My Mind: How To Use Generative AI for Analytics

Happy Father’s Day to all who fulfill that role in life.

Today, let’s answer this question, which was the topic of a workshop I did at the Marketing Analytics Summit:

Can we use generative AI for analytics?

No.

See you next week.

Part 1: Why GenAI Struggles With Analytics

I’m just kidding, of course. But even in that joking is a grain of truth.

The grain of truth is this: generative AI cannot do math. Fundamentally, the underlying architecture that powers tools like ChatGPT is incapable of doing math, in the same way that a blender is incapable of pan frying a steak.

It doesn’t matter how fancy the blender is, it’s never going to pan fry a steak. Can it cook a steak? Sure, by turning it into a puree and heating it with friction. Would you want to eat it that way? Probably not.

In the same way, a token prediction engine – which is what generative AI is – does not do calculation. Here’s why.

Language, the language that we speak and write (and speaking came long before writing) is inherently a probabilistic, predictive task. We human beings are prediction engines ourselves; our brains are constantly trying to evaluate whether something is good or bad, whether we’re in danger or not.

It took nearly 100,000 years of evolution for us to go from speaking to doing math, because math isn’t language. Math doesn’t describe, not in the way language does. It’s symbolic in nature. The number 3 is a symbol representing three things, and we conduct deterministic calculations with numbers.

It took another 30,000 years for higher forms of math like geometric and arithmetic to arise because math is so different than speech. In fact, somewhat entertainingly, math and writing appeared about the same time, around 5,000 years ago. That shows how much more cognition is involved with math than speaking.

All that is to say that math and language are not the same thing. Generative AI tools are language tools; it’s literally in the name of Large Language Models.

And the root of analytics is mathematics, from simple addition to very complex mathematical equations. Generative AI simply isn’t up to that task, so you can’t just hand your data to ChatGPT and call it a day, unless you don’t particularly care whether the answer is right or not.

In fact, a brand new paper and benchmark from Google came out just the other day which showed that generative AI models can’t even reliably read spreadsheets.

Now, does that mean generative AI has no role in analytics?

There’s the question we want to answer today.

Part 2: What Do People Really Want?

I’ve spent 31 years in digital marketing. My first website went online in 1994 (it ceased to exist long ago, sadly). And for those three decades, everyone I’ve ever worked for has said they want robust web analytics, robust digital marketing analytics. That was the topic at many a staff meeting, many a customer meeting.

And everyone who said that was lying.

Well, not lying, but what they wanted and what they asked for are two completely different things. No one wants analytics. Not really, not if we’re honest. What everyone wants is answers – and even there, answers they agree with or answers that make them look good (or at a bare minimum, allow them to shift blame).

Is that glib and depressing? Sure. But it’s also the truth.

On top of that, almost no one does analytics, even people with analyst in their job title. What people mostly do is data regurgitation, commonly called reporting. We trot out pile after pile of data, dashboards that are so heavily loaded, they look like a desperate buffet offering at a casino, and we call that analytics.

That’s not analytics. That’s just backing the truck up and pouring data all over someone’s desk and hoping they sift through it to find the things they’re looking for.

What is analytics? We’re going back to the well here, back to my roots for 15 years of my career. Analytics comes from the Greek word analyein, to unlock or to loosen. It’s taking something that’s locked up and unlocking it. Interestingly, in Ancient Greek, it was the branch of logic that distinguishes good arguments from bad arguments.

It was not, and is not, the process of dumping spreadsheets on someone’s desk. That’s not analytics. That’s indigestion. Aristotle would not be impressed with the modern descendants of his analytics.

So when we talk about generative AI doing analytics, there’s some nuance. Generative AI absolutely cannot do the math of analytics – but the art of using logic to distinguish good from bad arguments, the art of making decisions? Generative AI does that very well, if we provide it with the right materials.

Part 3: What is Analytics Today?

Okay, so what is analytics today? Glib talk aside, how do we do something productive here?

We first have to start by distinguishing the different kinds of analytics. Long ago, we posited the Marketing Analytics Maturity Model, which is a hierarchy:

  • Descriptive analytics: the data. The stuff. What happened. This is the number of website visitors or the number of email opens or the CTR. It’s the raw numbers.
  • Diagnostic analytics: the why. Why did we see the numbers we saw? How do we explain what happened? Website traffic was up 30%, great. Why? Click through rates on our Google ads were down 150 clicks this week. Why?
  • Predictive analytics: what’s going to happen? Once we know what happened and we have a good idea of why, we can start to predict, start to forecast, if the data supports it. This is where classical machine learning and classical AI. (Read: not ChatGPT) come in, to help us forecast what’s likely to happen. Predictive analytics has been in a rough state since March 2020 because our data has been such a mess due to \.
  • Prescriptive analytics: what should we do? Given what happened, why, and what’s likely to happen, what should we do about it? This is where we make decisions. Analytics without action is distraction. Data without decisions is decoration.
  • Proactive analytics: can machines do it for me? Back in 2018, when Katie Robbert and I started Trust Insights this was largely theoretical, the imaginary pinnacle of analytics. Today with modern AI and agentic AI, you can actually have agentic analytics.

When it comes to proving the value of marketing, the deeper into the hierarchy you are, the more value you’re unlocking. If you’re just doing descriptive analytics, you’re basically looking in the rear view mirror all the time. That’s fine as long as the road has no turns or obstacles, but if it does, you’re in for a bad time.

As you progress through the Marketing Analytics Maturity Model, you spend less time looking at what happened and more time figuring out what should happen, until you reach a point where you’re making decisions or even handing off decisions to machines.

An example of proactive analytics is an AI workflow where an automation is ingesting Google Ads data, determining which ads are underperforming, which ads are overperforming, generating new ads that are experiments on the over performing ads, deploying them in market, and basically operating autonomously. All five layers of the Marketing Analytics Maturity Model are in play in a system like that.

Here’s the rub. Almost everyone, like 95% of all companies and people, are stuck in descriptive analytics at best. They’re stuck making reports and dashboards, and it takes so long and is so painful that stakeholders don’t use the data for anything. They listen to the report or nod at the PowerPoint and make gut instinct decisions that they would have made anyway without any data.

Well, now that we’re thoroughly depressed, let’s talk about generative AI’s role in helping us move past being data dump truck drivers.

Part 4: The Role of Generative AI in the Marketing Analytics Maturity Model

Of the five stages of the maturity model, generative AI should not touch two of them: descriptive and predictive. Why? These layers are largely math, and math is best left to traditional code and analytics tools. Generative AI can help us make the tools to do the math, but it should not be doing the math for us.

The other three layers – diagnostic, prescriptive, and proactive – are ideally suited for today’s generative AI technology because that’s where true analysis – determining good arguments from bad, logic, explanation, and language – live.

Here’s an example. Suppose we have some descriptive data, like website traffic. We look at the data from our web analytics tools, we look at the pages people visited, we look at their basic demographics and interest data, and we know what happened. But do we know why?

If we take the time to describe what we did in our marketing during the time period of the data, if we provided our ideal customer profiles, if we gathered up the customer and prospect feedback from website forms, social media, call center logs, etc. – all the qualitative data that analysts tend not to process – and we provide that along with the final results of the data, generative AI will do a very credible job of giving us an explanation of what happened.

Its skill at inference among large, unstructured datasets is unparalleled. It’s the ideal use case for generative AI. We hand it data conclusions and lots of context, and it can very often make connections and draw conclusions we can’t see, because we can’t keep that much data in our heads.

From there, once we know what happened and why, we can make a decision about whether the data is trustworthy enough to forecast. If it is, we use generative AI to generate the code necessary to do forecasting. Generative AI cannot forecast numbers and trends, but it sure can build us the tools to do so – and at very low cost.

For example, I might see that our social media traffic can be forecasted because it’s seasonal and cyclical, so I could go to a generative AI tool and ask it to help me build an app in a language like Python to take my social media data and build me a forecast. I could ask it which algorithms would be the best fit for my data. I could ask it to devise all kinds of fancy forecasting techniques, maybe even commission a Deep Research report.

Then I run my forecast. If the forecast is statistically valid (something I would have asked AI to write into my homegrown forecasting software, tests of statistical validity), then I can take the fully baked forecast and hand that to generative AI with all my other data and ask it to devise a strategy and an action plan. With the right data, the right context, and the right forecast, it can create a clear, action-oriented plan.

Finally, if there are systems that can be automated, like Google Ads, then I can have generative AI build me a separate piece of software to interact with those systems and execute that part of the plan.

That sure sounds like magic, doesn’t it? It’s not – it’s mostly math. Math: like magic, but real.

So how do we make this mathematical magic happen? The key word in this section is context. We need to provide generative AI lots of context.

Part 5: Analytical Ingredients for Artificial Intelligence

How do we go about putting together all that context? We start with the Trust Insights 5P Framework, which is part of our AI-Ready Marketing Strategy Kit (free!).

The 5Ps are:

  • Purpose: what are we doing and why?
  • People: who’s doing it?
  • Process: how do we do it?
  • Platform: what do we do it with?
  • Performance: did we do it?

In the context of AI-enabled analytics, we first need to know what we’re doing and why. What is the ultimate end goal of our analytics? Decisions. Actions. Doing stuff. So what decisions do we need to make? What actions do we need to take? If we don’t know that, the rest of this process doesn’t matter.

When Katie and I teach this in our workshops, she often leads people through user story exercises, having them fill out user stories. User stories are simple three part mad-lib sentences:

As a {role}, I need to {task} so that {outcome}.

For example, let’s use the Almost Timely Newsletter. How would I build a user story for myself as the key stakeholder? I might say:

As the publisher of the Almost Timely Newsletter, I need to measure open and click rates on my newsletter so that I can see how engaged my audience is.

It’s clear and simple to understand what I want to do. From this, I can extrapolate my entire analytics strategy. I need to measure open and click rates on my emails to measure engagement (purpose). I need an email marketing platform that measures opens and clicks, and some way of tracking it (platform). I’m the one doing the work (People). I need mathematically sound ways of measuring this sort of thing (process). And if I can measure it accurately and answer the question of whether people are engaged, I’ll have fulfilled the purpose (performance).

Having this all written out makes sense not only for my own clarity, but this is a knowledge block (pre-baked information) I can use with generative AI. Providing this kind of knowledge helps AI understand how to interpret the data we give it.

I’d probably also want to explain why this newsletter exists at all, the context around it. The purpose of the newsletter (which is to ultimately sell stuff like books, courses, speaking engagements, and consulting gigs). What I know about the readers of it. All of that is foundational information I should have available to generative AI.

Once we’ve established this foundation, we can start moving into descriptive analytics. I can look at my platform, Substack, and see what data is available in it. There’s quite a lot, including the ability to export CSV files of things like my open and click rates, or even export individual open data. This is a goldmine of data, but it’s in raw form and it’s gigantic.

So what do we do? We certainly do not drop it in chat. Worst idea ever. No, we take a small sample and we give it to generative AI and we ask it to help us write software to process the data. And this is exactly where our user stories and 5Ps will help us brilliantly. We give the user story to generative AI, ask it to help us build some requirements for software to process our example data, and have it ask us questions until it has enough information to create the requirements.

Then we ask it for a workplan to build the software.

Then we ask it to follow the workplan and build the software. Tools like the new Jules from Google can even do this autonomously, which is amazing to watch. The catch is that we have to spend most of our time on the requirements and do that part well.

And if you want to go the super low tech route, you can. Take screenshots from your existing dashboards and analytics software and provide that to generative AI. What’s in tools like Google Analytics is finished, processed data – a line chart has already done the data processing for us.

Here’s a descriptive analytics analysis of my newsletter data:

Descriptive dashboard

After we’ve got our descriptive analysis done, we can think about diagnostic analytics. What would generative AI need to know to infer why our newsletter performance is the way it is? Certainly, the text of the newsletters themselves would help, or at the very least, the major topics in each. Any kind of qualitative or quantitative feedback would be great – comments from subscribers, for example, or survey data. Our ideal customer profile of who would get the most benefit from my newsletter would be good to have, something that Katie has built for me (and shameless plug, something we build for clients).

All that context will help generative AI better understand our situation and explain why we see the results we do in the data. The more relevant data, the better. (The keyword there is relevant!)

From there, we can examine whether or not the data has cyclicality and seasonality enough to forecast. As with the descriptive analytics, generative AI can’t do this, but it absolutely can build the necessary software to do this statistical test. We’d talk to AI and describe what we want to do – first to build the tooling necessary to determine whether our data can be forecasted at all, and then if it can be, to build the forecasting software.

Once we have our forecast, if one is possible, then we can move onto prescriptive analytics. And even knowing that a forecast isn’t possible is useful information. We can provide that to generative AI along with all the other data we’ve accumulated and say, β€œlook, our data is so irregular that it can’t be forecasted. Given this, how can we build a marketing strategy?” Or something along those lines.

We have generative AI build the strategy and the plan to achieve our goals.

Here’s an example of what I had AI build, a very attractive quarterly plan:

Quarterly plan

Finally, when we think about automation, if we can get the data from our various systems, if we can gather the prompts we used that worked, if we can tie it all together into a workflow, we can build that in a workflow automation system like Cline or n8n, then hand it the new data (which still might require good old-fashioned drag and drop, depending on your MarTech stack) and regenerate our marketing strategy and workplan whenever we need it – agentic analytics, if you will.

Part 6: Wrapping Up

Generative AI absolutely can help with the process of transforming data into decisions, of turning analytics into action. It can’t do it by itself. It can’t do math and shouldn’t be allowed to try. But it absolutely can help us with the processes of reporting, insights, and planning based on finished data we give it.

If using generative AI can help people go from making shelfware to making decisions, then we owe it to ourselves, our data, and our companies to do so. For too long, we’ve mostly given analytics lip service because we’re fundamentally bad at using our data, but generative AI reduces that excuse. We can, and we should, be using our data.

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