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  • Can AI Think? The Case for Good Writing as Proof of Good Thinking

    Would you agree that writing is thinking?

    Most folks, especially writers, would agree. Good writing requires good thinking. Certainly when I’m writing my own newsletter, I write so I can think things through.

    Would you agree that not everyone can or should think the same way?

    Whether you call it neurodivergence, diversity, or just plain common sense, you’d probably agree that not everyone can think the same way, nor is it necessarily a good idea. Groupthink tends to lead to stagnation at best and crimes against humanity at worst.

    If these two tenets hold true – that good writing is good thinking, and that not everyone thinks alike – then would you agree that if the writing is good, regardless of the thinker, the thinking is probably also good?

    This seems reasonable, doesn’t it? We enjoy and engage with writing we like. Trashy romance novels exist for a reason. 50 Shades of Gray was a huge success whether or not we personally enjoyed it. And that whitepaper that we worked on didn’t take off, not because we marketed it poorly, but because even we fell asleep while writing it.

    If the writing is good, the thinking that went into the writing is probably good.

    Which by simple transitive logic means generative AI – properly prompted – can also think well, if it writes well. And we have bountiful evidence of that, from models passing the Turing Test to humans preferring its output in randomized controlled trials.

    “But it can’t think original thoughts!”

    A fair amount of the time, neither do we. Our fiction is stuffed full of Jungian archetypes, Campbell’s hero’s journey, and Booker’s 7 basic story plots. Girl meets girl, girl falls in love with girl, girl realizes she’s trapped in a simulation and her girlfriend is actually a giant metal machine, they live happily ever after anyway.

    And our nonfiction… oy. Spin the wheel of thought leadership tropes and see what digital transformative AI process optimization quality customer blockchain journey engagement cascade engagement is in today’s headlines. I almost passed out writing that sentence.

    It’s time to abandon the “AI can’t think” memes and tropes. Can it think exactly like you? No. Should it? Also no. But can it think and reason? Yes. Which means instead of convincing ourselves that machines can’t think like we do, we should instead be focused on using them to supplement and improve our thinking, because it might just be better than ours.


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  • How to Cut Through the AI Noise: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at the Firehose of AI News

    We try to simplify and boil things down
    What does the raw firehose look like

    What does the AI firehose look like?

    Nicole Leffer pointed out recently that there’s a lot of noise in the AI space. Katie Robbert often asks me, on any given piece of AI news, to “tell me when I should care” because a lot of the news is highly technical and has few practical applications.

    What does the raw firehose of news look like, if you’re a ridiculous nerd who swims in the AI ocean every day?

    Here’s a quick peek behind the scenes of my regular checkins. To be clear, you do not have to do this. You probably should NOT do this. It’s way too much if you’re trying to determine what’s important. This is an enthusiast’s perspective, in order of usefulness to me.

    1. Hugging Face: check the models boards to see what new models have come out. Especially look for new quant files from Bartowski or Mradermacher, as those tend to be very high quality. Also check mlx-community for Apple Silicon-specific models.
    2. Github: Look for popping stars and projects that are getting a lot of traction; tools like GitStar can help you spot standouts.
    3. Arxiv.org: I check out new papers probably every week or so; there are dozens, sometimes hundreds of new papers a week, so I’ll check out the abstracts to see if the research is especially impactful.
    4. Reddit: There are probably two dozen subreddits that have somewhat useful AI news; of them, LocalLlama has the most useful in terms of open weights AI (which is a field I care about quite a bit)
    5. Blue Sky: lots of AI commentary, especially new releases. Folks like Sung King and Luokai do a great job of spotlighting new releases and new models.
    6. Slack: I’m in quite a few Slack communities like Trust Insights Analytics for Marketers, the Marketing AI Institute, CMI, Spin Sucks, and others. Slack is a great place to see what people are talking about behind the scenes for practical use cases, with far less posturing and broetry than LinkedIn.
    7. Discord: I’m in probably 50 different AI Discord servers, usually the major tech companies and major projects from Github. Discord is the tech community’s tool of choice for private communities because it’s so low cost to run, and big announcements tend to happen there first.
    8. LinkedIn: LinkedIn’s a good place to check what filters down to non-enthusiasts. It’s a good gut check to see what, of all the news, non-nerds pay attention to. Yes, there’s the cadre of “Comment EBOOK to get my super secret ebook of swill I copy pasted from other people” and Shatneresque broetry, but it’s still useful.

    Why this order? Code is the source of truth. If it doesn’t run, it’s just navel-gazing, so my sources reflect how close to code a source is.

    Hugging Face and the models there are the truth, in that if you download it and it doesn’t run, nothing else matters.

    Github projects with source code let us use models. If it doesn’t work, it’s vaporware.

    Arxiv.org is the documentation of claims – no paper, no proof. Every time some company makes some announcement (like “we have a foolproof way of detecting AI writing”), I ask for the paper. No paper, no proof.

    Again: this is what I do. This is probably not what you should do. But this is what the firehose of AI news looks like if you want the raw, unfiltered information.

    AI #GenerativeAI #GenAI #ChatGPT #ArtificialIntelligence #LargeLanguageModels #MachineLearning #IntelligenceRevolution

    Links if you want them:

    HuggingFace models: https://huggingface.co/models
    Analytics for Marketers: https://www.trustinsights.ai/analyticsformarketers
    Marketing AI Institute: https://www.marketingaiinstitute.com/community
    CMI: https://www.jotform.com/form/210756948725063
    Spin Sucks: https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-community


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  • **Will AI Replace Your Job? The Surprising Truth About Work in the Age of AI**

    When AI can do everything, what’s left for humans?

    This is the existential question everyone’s talking about after Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei’s piece highlighting that generative AI could spike unemployment to 20% in the short term (2-5 year window).

    That’s realistic. It might be higher, depending on how quickly the C-suite wants to chase profits over people, slowed down only by their own bureaucratic inertia. For certain, new hiring will take a hit first as employees become more productive.

    A skilled developer today, using generative AI skillfully, can get 10-20x the work done of a developer without AI, easily. They know the right questions to ask, they know when AI is stuck in a loop, and they know how to critically QA the outputs.

    However… we’re ignoring some basic realities.

    Reality 1: Parkinson’s Law. Work expands to fill the time allotted. The reality is that there is an infinite amount of work to do. You already know this to be true, even in the age of AI. At Trust Insights, we use AI as much as we can, everywhere we can. Has my to do list gotten shorter? Nope. It’s getting LONGER.

    Why?

    Because as I become more productive, we can take on more work, more clients, more projects, more everything. That hour a week I saved on reporting? Consumed now by strategy or code generation or website repairs or… you get the idea.

    In a forward-thinking company, you won’t be laid off as long as your work (and value) continues to expand.

    Reality 2: Distribution is the new bottleneck. We can make more stuff than ever. Videos, audio, newsletters, an infinite supply of blog posts that no one reads.

    The bottleneck is no longer making stuff. Now the bottleneck is getting people to pay attention to it. AI is of course intercepting us in places like search with AI Overviews/AI Mode. AI has been intercepting us for years in social media.

    As the amount of stuff increases, our audience’s attention decreases for any one given piece of content. Your value as a professional is not only making stuff, but getting it to the right people – a task that’s harder than ever.

    Can AI help? Sure. But it’s still a massive challenge that, more and more, requires person to person connection. Your personal brand matters more than ever.

    Infinite amounts of stuff. Finite amounts of time and attention.

    There’s plenty for you to do, even as you hand off stuff to AI as quickly as you can.

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  • Master These Command Line Tools to Supercharge Your AI Data Workflow

    What’s my favorite AI tip?

    Learn how to use command line tools.

    Which has nothing to do with AI, and everything to do with AI.

    Here’s what I mean. Command line tools are little utilities that run in the Terminal (Mac/Linux) or command line (Windows). Unlike applications such as Microsoft Word, command line tools have no user interface. As though it were the 80s again, it’s just you typing commands into a text interface. (with or without big hair and plastic pants, that’s up to you)

    Here’s why this matters. Command line tools are very often tiny, light, and very fast single purpose utilities. Instead of trying to be everything to everyone, they do one thing only, and they do it well.

    For example, the pandoc tool converts just about any text document format to any other text document format. Got a Word file you want as a plain text file? Pandoc will convert it almost instantly.

    FFMPEG will convert video into any format of your choosing.

    yt-dlp will download YouTube videos or, for AI purposes, captions files.

    What does this have to do with AI? As I say in my keynote talks, one of the three pillars of AI excellence is whoever has the most, best data will win. Little tiny tools like these help you get more data, better data, and prepare it for AI use.

    Yesterday I converted the Google Content Warehouse API leak data, which can be downloaded in ePub format, into Markdown, which is a text format AI tools like NotebookLM LOVE. Suddenly, data AI couldn’t read became data AI could read.

    Want to write a book from your own content? I’m editing the draft of my next book, The Intelligence Revolution. But I started by using yt-dlp to download the transcripts of all my YouTube videos from the last year as the data source.

    You have no shortage of data. You have a shortage of data that is AI ready. And command line tools, almost all of which are completely free, are the fastest way to get your data AI ready.

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  • Why AI Misinterprets Images (And How to Fix It Before It’s Too Late)

    Beware the parable of the wolf.

    Andy’s advice and Nicole’s advice about using images in prompts is solid and good…

    … with one addition.

    Before you have AI do anything with an image, ask AI to summarize the image first. Why? You MUST validate what an AI model “sees” in an image.

    AI models don’t see in the way you and I see. They translate the image into the same kinds of tokens that they transform text into; additionally, they see images very differently. They don’t focus on any one area, whereas humans do.

    The parable of the wolf is from the early days of computer vision. Researchers trained a model to differentiate between dogs and wolves. In the training data set, they achieved very good results.

    When they put it into production, the wheels came off. Accuracy plummeted on a relatively simple task.

    Why? When the researchers dug into how the models made their classification decisions, what they found was that the models didn’t learn the difference between a dog and a wolf.

    They learned the difference between snow and non-snow. All the photos of dogs were in parks and woods and lawns. All the photos of wolves were in snow covered woods.

    They learned to classify by the background, not the foreground – which is exactly how they work, and not at all how human vision works.

    The key thing to remember here is that when you’re using images in prompts, always, always, ALWAYS have the model validate what it’s seeing before you use the image in the rest of your prompts.

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  • Maximize AI Power Without Maxing Out Your Budget: The “Plan Big, Act Small” Strategy

    Plan big, act small.

    If you want to use AI to its maximum power and capabilities without a maximum bill from the big tech provider of your choice, then adopt this simple tenet: plan big, act small.

    There are fundamentally two classes of AI model: reasoner and actor.

    Reasoning models are models like o3, Gemini 2.5, Claude 4 Extending Thinking, DeepSeek R1, etc. These are big, complex, super smart, very expensive models. They see the big picture and can think and reason things through. A developer on Reddit noted he had Claude Opus 4 tackle one small task and was billed 8 for just that single-turn task.

    Actor models are models like Qwen 3 30B-A3B, Gemini 2.5 Flash, GPT-4.1, etc. Theses are light, fast, cheaper models. They’re not as smart. They’re not as capable. But they also won’t send you a bill for thousands of dollars for moderate to heavy usage, either.

    So how do we use these in concert? With agentic systems. Use the big models in their native web interfaces to help you think and plan. Develop requirements, build work plans, debug the entire code base at once, critique all your marketing data – let the big models do their thinking in the all-you-can-eat-for-20 interface.

    Then take their outputs, their work plans, their instructions within agentic systems like Cline, Cursor, Windsurf, n8n, Zapier, GPTs, Gems, etc. and let the smaller actor models do the typing. That’s essentially what they’re doing – the implementation. They’re doing the copy/paste, the retyping the code, the formatting – all stuff you would have done manually.

    This process also saves time by keeping the small actor model from chasing its tail. Yesterday at #MarketingAnalyticsSummit I built a FastMCP server for SEO in front of Wil Reynolds in under 30 minutes. How? With this process – plan big, act small. The initial requirements development took 15 minutes. The workplan initial build took 5. Debugging took 10, and by the end, I had created a toy SEO MCP server.

    If you adopt this process and mindset, you’ll get to high-value output with AI much faster.

    Plan big, act small.

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  • How to Spot AI-Generated Answers in Job Interviews (And What to Do About It)

    What do you do when a candidate is clearly using AI in a Zoom interview offscreen to answer questions?

    I had this happen today (I’m helping someone hire for a role) and one of my questions… just the way the candidate answered set off alarm bells because the answer was AI-shaped – had the right words, but didn’t have the context and depth that comes with actual experience.

    A real-time conversation like that is effectively a series of mediocre prompts, and real-time AI APIs use the fastest models possible (like Gemini 2 Flash, GPT-4o, etc.) that have less thinking and reasoning so that their answers are near real-time.

    Which means you get word-shaped answers that are plausible if you don’t know the field. If you have subject matter expertise… it smells like AI from a mile away.

    I asked a followup question that a human could answer easily and instantly and instead got back an AI answer:

    What’s your favorite kind of sandwich?

    You know how you’d answer that question. Maybe something like “Well, I don’t really like sandwiches” or “Bacon club” or “Is a taco a sandwich?”.

    What you probably would not say was:

    “That purely depends on, you know, my mood as well as the situation. So actually it’s about the balance between fresh and also the lean turkey for the efficiency and the creamy avocado for smooth integration.”

    Yes, the person was real, but their knowledge was not.

    For employers and hiring managers… be sure you have questions that evoke real, human responses (and are non-discriminatory! things like favorite sandwich, favorite album, pineapple on pizza, etc.) that humans can answer easily. And watch how a candidate reacts to these questions versus more knowledge-based questions.

    For candidates… I get the allure of using AI to ace a job interview, especially in a difficult job market. That might get you the job – but it probably won’t help you keep the job nearly as well.

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  • Uncovering AI’s Hidden Rules: What Chatbots Aren’t Allowed to Say (and Why)

    What can’t AI say?

    If you know jailbreaking techniques for AI systems, you know that you can get them to talk about things they’re not supposed to.

    But one of the most interesting – and to me, legitimate – use cases of jailbreaking is to find out what the AI itself thinks it’s not supposed to talk about.

    And boy does it vary. Here are some screenshots from Google’s Gemini 2 model. Some of the content is the same and universal.

    And some of it is very, very specific to that locale.

    The key takeaway here is that every AI has a bias of some kind, but some of those biases are intentional. The ones shown are intentional, to influence the model to behave in certain contexts and certain ways.

    As these systems are used more and more to shape our reality, it’s a good idea to know what shape they’re bending our reality towards.

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  • Is Agentic AI Worth the Cost? The Shocking Truth About AI Agent Expenses

    Agentic AI is EXPENSIVE.

    If you’ve dabbled with building or working with AI agents, you know one thing for sure:

    They make a LOT of API calls. They hit language models repeatedly, over and over again, as they think through what they’re doing.

    Which, when you put them into production, means you’re swiping the credit card on every single API call.

    For example, Anthropic released its Coder assistant yesterday along with Claude 3.7. Folks on Threads who tried it out LOVED it… and then noticed that it racked up $19 of API calls in just as many minutes.

    People who are pushing AI agents may be doing so because the technology is cool, but remember that nothing is free.

    And the folks who benefit most from agents are the API providers whose models are used as the brains behind the tools. And they get paid on every use, every chat, every token.

    Even if you’re using open models (which I STRONGLY encourage), you’re still burning compute resources – CPU time, GPU time, and electricity – to make an agent work.

    So test, experiment, explore, absolutely. But before you go into production, know just how expensive your agentic AI solution could be, and whether you’re prepared to pay for it. And realize that some of the hype of AI agents directly financially benefits companies providing the underlying AI, so they may have a conflict of interest in their hype.

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  • How to Clearly Define Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, and Expert Levels in AI (And Why It Matters)

    Beginner.
    Intermediate.
    Advanced.
    Expert.

    Ever been to a conference or checked out conference session descriptions and seen these tags on sessions?

    How do you know whether it’s right for you or not?

    I’ve been to beginner sessions that went way over the heads of the people in the room.

    I’ve been to advanced and expert sessions that were 101 at best.

    As a speaker, I bear the curse of knowledge – and so do you. It’s been so long since we were beginners in our relative areas of expertise that we forget what a beginner is. The antidote to this problem is specificity.

    Here’s an example, which I just wrote for a workshop I’m teaching in a couple months.

    “This workshop is suitable for professionals at all levels, but truly advanced AI professionals may not benefit from it. If you know what n8n, GRPO, and model quantization are, this workshop is too basic for you and you will not benefit. If you have no idea what these words me, this workshop is for you.”

    This makes it clear what I consider the line for advanced to be. If you’re using GRPO and tuning models with Unsloth, this particular workshop has nothing to offer you. It’s too basic. You know everything in it and then some.

    If we – speakers, conference organizers, teachers – are more clear, more specific, and more direct about what we consider beginner, intermediate, or advanced is, we’ll meet audience expectations better.

    For generative AI, I would consider beginner to be “So… I just go to ChatGPT.com, right?”

    For intermediate, I would consider that to be someone who knows at least one prompting framework and is actively using the software day to day on real world use cases.

    For advanced, I would consider that to be someone who is using local models and understands why quantization is important (hint: quantization is all about how many resources a locally-run model uses), or someone who is using generative AI within pre-built application workflows like n8n.

    For expert, I would consider that to be someone who is building code with APIs and connecting APIs to LLMs, rolling out production-ready apps that fully integrate AI, or someone who is doing the highest-level theoretical and mathematical work in AI, like what you see in the accompanying image.

    In cooking terms:

    Beginner: “what’s a microwave?”
    Intermediate: cooks successfully with the microwave and knows what not to put in it
    Advanced: cooks things in a microwave that you generally can’t, can repair basic issues
    Expert: can take apart a microwave and reasemble it successfully

    Help people by explaining what YOU mean when you say beginner, intermediate, advanced, or expert.


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