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title: "So What? Nontraditional Podcast Analytics"
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date: 2026-09-11
url: https://www.christopherspenn.com/2026/09/so-what-nontraditional-podcast-analytics/
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  - "Measurement"
  - "Podcasting"
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# So What? Nontraditional Podcast Analytics

## Summary

In today's episode, I break down why traditional podcast analytics miss the mark and how to measure the entire content ecosystem around your show. Here's what this means for you. You gain a framework for tracking performance across every platform your podcast touches so you can stop making decisions based on incomplete download data alone. You'll also learn these concepts: how audiences follow personalities rather than topics or brands, why individual social accounts dramatically outperform brand pages for driving listens, and how AI tools can synthesize cross-platform data into actionable insights.

[embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ROENFJd9o[/embed]

## Key Takeaways

- You'll discover why audiences follow personalities and celebrities rather than topics or show brands when choosing what to listen to

- You'll learn how to build a year-long cross-platform episode ledger that captures performance across Libsyn, YouTube, social media, newsletters, and blog posts

- You'll see why promoting podcasts on personal LinkedIn profiles drives dramatically more impressions than brand pages

- You'll explore how AI tools can apply statistical techniques from fields like epidemiology to detect pacing issues and seasonal anomalies in your download data

- You'll find out how to use Ahrefs and Google Search Console to track inbound links and identify new outreach opportunities for growing your show

## Full Transcript

Well, happy Thursday, folks. This is So What, the Marketing Analytics and Insights Live Show. I'm Chris here with John. Katie is off kayaking up a mountain or something. I don't know what that's she is in the great outdoors.

The great outdoors, yes. I need uh Jay Bear has this one thing in his office that I love. I I want to still has a sign that behind us says avid indoorsman and uh enjoy all of the indoor hobbies. Exactly. Enjoy all the indoor hobbies.

So this week we're talking about non-traditional podcast analytics. Uh we haven't actually, I was looking the other day. We haven't done a podcast analytics episode since 2019. So it's been a long time since we talked about analytics specifically, uh, on the on the channel here. Yeah, that's it.

There's been a lot of stuff over the last three or four years on this front. So yeah, I'm interested in in what you're using. It's come to the point for me that it's a lot like a lot of other uh marketing tactics, and that like we just focus on the end result. We're just like, how many leads did we get? Did any of them close?

Yes. Because everything else is kind of such a mess that it's not useful. So yeah, I'm really excited to see what kind of stuff you've been poking around and if there's anything worthwhile. Well, so this is interesting, and I wanted to get your take on this to start because it's something that you've talked about on our other podcasts, Marketing Over Coffee. Uh, about how particularly in the world of sponsorship, but but the audiences in general's you were saying something along the lines of people don't follow a show or a format, they follow a a person.

What can you talk more about that? Yeah, well, that's um, you know, one of the biggest things we've kind of seen is this shift from in the first 10 or 15 years of podcasting, it was topic driven. You know, it was like, okay, if you're interested in tech, you'd be listening to this week in tech. And if you're um interested in music, you've got Brian Ebbett's Coverville, or you're following, you know, Adam Curry and some of his stuff. But over time, there have been a bunch of it's basically people translating their celebrity, you know, they they're able to show up and they've already got their audience.

So now it's like, okay, if you follow um everybody over on Smartless, and you want, you know, those are celebs that you find entertaining, well, then you're gonna listen to them or you're gonna watch them on YouTube. But there's kind of been this shift of hey, you have to show up with your brand and your audience, and you know, and then everybody follows along and it grows. So yeah, I don't know, there's still these kind of two different, I mean, there's still plenty of niche podcasts and smaller uh targeted audiences that you know talk about specific topics. But you know, when you're talking about the big sponsorship dollars, the people that want to get in front of millions of people, they tend to be falling over on the celebrity side. And I don't know, it's I in podcasting, you don't see the same kind of influencers.

You know, you kind of have this thing going on TikTok and Instagram where people will just show up and be able to mass a couple million followers and kind of become somebody, but you don't really see the same kind of thing. It's like you better show up with a brand or something to get into those tens of millions at the as far as an organically led podcast. Um, but yeah, that that's kind of the basic ramble of where I'm at today. Um, so to tackle that today, what we wanted to do was was deal with the fact that, for example, with the Trust Insights podcast, uh, in your insights, which Katie and I host, uh, we recorded on Mondays, we released it on Wednesdays. If you are not subscribed to you, can get it at TrustInsights.

On most places uh where podcasts show up. Um, and if you want to check out uh John and I, let's see what I think we have a marketing over coffee banner here. Yes, we have a marketing over coffee banner uh as well. If you want to check that out. But one of the biggest challenges we have with our show is that it's literally everywhere.

So some of the things we do, we do the show itself, uh, and we record it in StreamYard, and then it goes up on Libsyn. Libson is our podcast distribution platform, which then sends it out to Apple Music to Spotify to all the different channels for audio. Then we put it up on YouTube. Uh, so it's up on YouTube in on video on YouTube. Then we take a copy of the transcript and we put it on the Trust Insights website uh as a uh as a blog post.

So the transcript is there that uh we embed the YouTube video in there, we embed the MP3 in there. Then we also put it every week in our Wednesday newsletter, the Trust Insights newsletter, uh, which I think we have a banner for that here, so we do call it inbox insights, which you can get at TrustInsights.ai slash newsletter. And then on Fridays, our account manager Kelsey sends out, and in case you missed an email that contains that callback. She also edits, uh takes the podcast and puts it through, I think Opus Clips, uh, the video editing platform that takes short snippets of the podcast. I also take short snippets of the podcast when I post it on social channels, which we put in our Agora Pulse social media uh management system.

So you've got shorts, you've got regular posts, you've got blog posts, you've got YouTube, you've got newsletters, you've got all these different places. And the challenge for podcast analytics is most folks, when they think about podcast analytics, they open up Libson or you know, Transistor or whatever, they look at their number of Dallas and say that's that's my podcast performance. And that's when you look at the list of all the places that you could promote, that's a really thin slice of the entire system. Yeah, that is definitely something that's uh changed the game too. It kind of used to just be hey, you would put it up on Libsin, and you'd get into Apple Podcasts, and that was it.

You had covered 90% of the ground, and it's the exact opposite of that. Now there are so excuse me, like I'm uh I'm gonna get my breath back, you run. Um, so to start the process of figuring this out, we have to figure out A, where are the places that we should be posting on? Are we already doing them? And then B, um, what does our data say?

So the first place I started with this was uh using our the uh our deep research tools. So I went out to the uh the great wide internet, uh as it were, and let me bring this up in a shared screen here. And I said, here's the trusted size podcast, here's all the things we do, here's you know where we're doing stuff. Go out and research other podcasts, particularly a podcast that is a brand side podcast, because we're doing the we do the podcast realistically to try and reach and educate and entertain our audience, our customers, but also try to attract prospective customers. We don't monetize the podcast directly.

Actually, that's not true. We do monetize it directly now through Libs and we've so I think our earnings in August were 96 cents. Excellent. That's nearly double where we're up and to the right. Exactly.

And then said, okay, based on uh great resources like Edison Research, which is I think owned by SSRI now, um sounds profitable, Tom Webster and Brian Barletta's uh excellent company. I believe it's today is Tom Webster's birthday, actually. So if Tom, if you're listening, happy birthday. Um Pew Research, uh, the Pew Internet Center, which does a ton of research on podcasts, plus whatever other you know publications are out there, said go out and read through all these and figure out what are we doing? Um, how does the industry measure stuff?

Um, and then what are the tactics that companies that other similar podcasts do to bring in new audience? And I said, for the purposes of this research, I'm not terribly concerned about um monetizing, things like that. I just want to know what are people doing out there and and how are they doing it? So, for some of the tactics it came up with, you know, build a 30-day cross-platform uh episode ledger. So that's you know, was the was priority number one.

Say you've got all this data in all these different places. Audio downloads alone are not enough because you host on YouTube, because you you host a blog post, you have a newsletter. So go and get all of your data to figure out what the heck, where the heck everything is. Um, check your tagging, uh, check your uh newsletter placement. Uh consider a dedicated podcast-only newsletter.

If you want to reach more people, put handles on it. Get go out and do that. Um with your uh live stream. Make sure that you're promoting the podcast on the live stream. Uh build first party episode landing pages.

So you may want to create you know dedicated landing pages, which I don't know if we would go that far, uh, unless there was a really hot episode, but I there are definitely things we could do to improve the landing page itself. Um, get more reviews, of course. Um, verify your YouTube podcast destination. Uh that set up there. Verify and validate your YouTube stuff.

Look at this. Is a this is a throwback to a long time ago. Guest swaps. I remember doing those back in the day. Oh, yeah, there was a whole network of pod swap and all that kind of stuff there.

You're just trading 30 second spots or whatever. Yeah, or even just hosting, uh co-hosting uh each of the shows. Uh making sure that your your website supports the podcast episode schema, which is a topic that uh we I think we just did an episode on the schema, didn't we? Uh, you know, that's I I do not remember doing that. Maybe it was on your newsletter you covered it because I I thought we did a live stream on it.

Anyway, well, we we can definitely do that. Um for LinkedIn short form clip optimization. Um it said one clip is you know, the the opus clips is the way it does its clipping is not appropriate for all platforms. What lands on YouTube or Instagram doesn't fly on LinkedIn. Uh it said you may want to custom do some custom prompting to develop LinkedIn specific clips uh with the tools that we already have.

Uh pitch editorial inclusion, go hit up your uh Spotify's best marketing analytics podcast category and and trade listicles. Uh make sure you're doing your long tail discovery, speak at conferences, which we are doing. Uh make sure you're doing QA of all your stuff. Uh consider a pod match for if you do guests and things. And so it came up with a really decent list of here's the stuff that you do, and and and here's the things that you need to do next in order to close the gaps.

Because I gave it the uh a pretty um straightforward goal. I said we want for uh in ear insights, a thousand downloads a month. That's our goal. We'll get to a thousand downloads a month as measured by Libsend and said here's the ways that you will get to that not just on Libsyn, but you have to add together all the places you put the actual podcast. Yeah, right.

And I think that again, that's like a huge change to the the game because I think you could make gain a lot of ground on LinkedIn or via YouTube. There's a lot more opportunities to promote and share and get that stuff moving around than just having it sit as an MP3 file somewhere. Yep. So the first task that we had to go after was the 30-day ledger to say, okay, in the third, and so this is now we're now shifting to straight up hardcore analytics. How do we do this?

How do we assess this? So what I we I use clawed code for this. I said, here's the master report that told us how to do this. Uh now I need to build what that ledger looks like. And I said, if I'm gonna be pulling the data anyway, I'm not gonna bother with 30 days.

I'm gonna do a full year, uh, because it's the same amount of work to download the that much data. So what do we what do we go and do? Uh I went to and I pulled initially. I just pulled Libs and data. I said, you know, show me the Libs and data, and Libson spits out all these really nice stats.

And then uh I went and said, okay, what about YouTube? And so I went to the YouTube things and I started exporting the data. And then uh Claude came back and said, YouTube only gives you 500 rows per export, buddy. So you gotta go and export month by month so I can see changes in what content is resonating. And then it said, Oh, by the way, uh your so what live stream seems to be airing in more than one YouTube channel.

So that other YouTube channel, the Christopher Penn channel, go grab that too, because I wanna be able to see if you're cross-pollinating possibly uh between so I had to go and download my YouTube channel, and then it said, Oh, you mentioned you are doing social media. I said, Yes. I said, Okay, well, go into your social media management software. And so I opened up Agora Pulse and I went did a year-long export for Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn threads, and YouTube, and had to export all that data. And it said, Hey, by the way, uh, you're it looks like you're posting podcast episodes to a bunch of different accounts, so grab them all.

Like, great, thanks. More work for me. Um, then it said, Hey, go get your Google Analytics data, and finally it said, Hey, you're sending out this newsletter. I want to see the newsletter data. I want to see, and this was ambitious of it.

It said, I want to see every link that's been clicked on in every issue of your newsletter for the last year. Like, all right, well, I'm gonna go install Claude on my newsletter server and make it do it there. Like, get that yourself. Exactly, go get it yourself. And it did, it took about an hour and a half for it to write the software to export all that data.

But what ended up coming out was a gigantic spreadsheet by date by URL, the number of clicks that everything got. And so the next step after that was to say, all right, here's all the data. And it goes, how would you like me to analyze it? Like, I'm gonna slap you. Um what one of the things that we did three months ago now, I think.

It was might have been longer than that, was develop a catalog of 1400 different analytics techniques from 23 professions. Everything from agronomy to economics to weather forecasting, um, and said for each technique in each discipline, what is the technique? How does it work? Why would you use it? Why would you not use it, and what kind of data does it need?

And giving and and Claude has that as a library now that we built for ourselves internally, and we'll probably put it up for sale one day in the academy. Um, and said, here's all the data I have of all of these things, which techniques make the most sense for this style of data. And it said, ah, okay, let me go look. So it looked through all the data. I parsed all it parsed all the results, cleaned up the data, and said, okay, let's take a look at um the different methods.

Uh so it did a bunch of things like holdouts to test to see whether there were uh if there were specific days and times uh called compositional destination share analysis um to understand if destinations mattered, cumulative sum management change point detection on downloads to figure out if some episodes had fewer downloads after a standard period of time than others. Like if did an episode just fall short after at the 13 day mark, did this episode was it on average the same number of downloads as other episodes? Or was it behind or was it ahead? So it went through and analyzed all that. Uh panel longitudinal family summary that comes from epidemiology, if I remember correctly, from uh looking at um you have when you're trying to track disease across different members of a family to essentially do panels.

Um, and so after all is said and done, this is the technical report. Uh, we had it uh I had it stuff all of the data into uh the Trust Insights Saint report framework, which stands for summary analysis insights, next steps and timeline. And this is the human readable version of the report because nobody wants to read the tech report. But one of the things that's really weird about AI tools is they get very twitchy if you don't give them a place to talk about what they're doing, and they have a tendency to put like process stuff in the deliverable itself. Like first I reconcile this, then I reconcile this.

Like, nobody cares. Nobody wants to read that, but you can't tell it, don't do that because otherwise it tends to go rogue and then just put that stuff in. So you have to give it a separate place to say this is the place you may foam at the mouth. It's like, oh, here's my change log, I'm gonna type, or ever. All right.

So, what is it? So, what came out of all of this analysis? By the way, this took 17 hours. I started doing this yesterday in the uh early afternoon. Uh late morning, early afternoon, just getting all the data prep ready, and it took 17 hours for it to to build all the code, and then just keep yelling at me, hey, I need this, buddy.

I feel like it was my boss. Um, and it said, Um, let's take a look at your analysis. You've got some technological issues in Libsyn that you should fix. Like, okay, I can go, I will go and fix that after this live stream. Where your downloads coming from, uh, a bunch, 42% uh come on Libson from places it it couldn't find Apple Podcasts and Spotify account for the the rest.

Um, so it said go figure out what's going on there. And then where the audience actually lives, it said you have a distribution problem, and your distribution problem is that the brand accounts are so far behind individual accounts. I didn't have access to Katie's accounts for this because uh I don't have access to her data for good reason. Um so I only had mine and the brand, but it said like if you are heavily promoting the podcast on brand channels, keep doing that. But you really should be promoting the podcast on Christopher Penn's personal channels as well, because it when you do, and and this had this happens as part of our social scheduling.

When you do, it outperforms. It just there's there's a large audience there. There's 48,000 people on my LinkedIn, there's 2,000 for the brand. Um on the impressions per post, there's 42 impressions per post on the Trust Insights LinkedIn page. There's almost 1,500 on my personal.

So it said, keep posting there, but and but know that that's going to be your primary driver of podcast uh listeners. Now, is that because we've we've known excuse me, we've known that there's the volume is there, but there's also that thing of just kind of brand pages and brand presence is not what it used to be like five or six years ago. And that's a big part of it is that and we see this across all of the social media channels. Uh brand accounts effectively are graveyards. Like you have to post there just for defensive purposes, right?

It's because it's a useful thing, even to spill if if you have a legal dispute about intellectual property, you can say to your lawyers, hey, check out our brand page from six years ago that nobody engaged with, but at least you have a date stamp of when it posts the content. But it is all and this goes to kind of what you were saying at the beginning of the episode, where that people are following people, not companies. People are engaging with that personality at celebrity, even non-celebrities, right? Because the algorithms, and I know Meta made some changes uh a year or two ago about this as well. All of the social networks were recognizing that people were leaving if they didn't prioritize essentially your friends.

And so individual accounts dramatically outperform uh company ones. That makes sense. Um we then look at the newsletter. It says readers have sent 28,000 clicks to the podcast or live stream episodes out of the year, out of a total of 529,000 clicks. So it's a substantial volume.

Um it does say uh it couldn't, you know, match it could do a match back uh to follow all the way through, but at least the newsletter is doing a good job of getting people um clicks to click through. Um it pointed out was that two of the ten most clicked episodes in the newsletter are among the top 10 most downloaded. So the newsletter reaches different people than the Libson data shows. So uh Apple Podcast and Spotify, different audiences. Yeah, right.

And that's what we talked about before. Is this idea of it's just completely different universes? Like there's the people that are following Trust Insights and want to hear what that has to say. That's totally different from the podcast commuter people. Mm-hmm.

Exactly. Um, the other thing that's interesting is that it was looking at the different formats, and it said obviously, you know, you there's uh there's some short form clips for the podcast, there's the regular podcast episodes, then there's the live stream, which is not part of the podcast. But in general, the live stream gets more minutes per view, uh minutes watch per view, mostly because it's longer. Um, but it gets uh the podcast gets more of the actual show watch, and then the short form clips, you know, because they're 60 seconds long that you get a highest number, but the podcast itself keeps people engaged more on average than the live stream. Yeah, that's interesting.

Although the one thing is with live stream, it does feel like there's some algorithm working there. Like there's people that just get dropped in because it showed up at the top of their feed, they're not actually making an appointment to get there. So I think that makes sense. Yep. The other thing I wish we had, we don't have it.

I wish that StreamYard had like a comprehensive analytics center across, you know, for each stream. If it does, I haven't been able to find it. Um, so that might just be a UI thing. It would be nice to be able to get that data out of there. Yeah, no, I have never spent uh, you know, I see no easy access to anything analytics in StreamYard.

So if there's something there, I'd love to hear about it. I my guess, and this is purely guess. My guess is they expect that you will go and you will get the data from the in the platform from the platforms, yeah. Yeah. Um and so what's interesting is it says this data means because one of the things I said is hey, we've got limited amounts of time each week to work on stuff that is not paying billable work.

Um, you know, should something go. And it says, no, what you're doing is is an appropriate mix right now. You can't cut one of these properties. Like you can't if you want to keep growth going across your media empire, across the Trust Insights Media Empire, you can't stop the live stream. Uh it will have uh it will have negative impacts.

Um that makes sense if there's anything there. You hang on to that. Yeah. So it said download trends. It said something happened in April and May, and it said it couldn't figure out from the data what happened, uh, but something dramatically increased downloads of the podcast in April, May, and then it dropped back down to to where it was at the beginning of the year.

It couldn't figure out, and I couldn't figure it out from thinking about like I don't think we were doing anything different at that time. No, but I you know, it's like there's so many other places the traffic can come from, you know. That's the problem. It's like if any LLM got hooked on something we do, or and it plus that's kind of post you guys do a lot of events and stuff earlier in the year, and I that would show up, you know, come May. But it's bizarre how yeah, well, I don't know.

I guess you can you can look at that, you can say, well, August, July, August tends to be seasonal drop, but you know, it's not worse than January, February. So I yeah, that that and that peak is huge, too. I mean, that's a huge surge. I it would almost come to the are there any specific, does that even show up in single episodes, or is it just kind of like a rising of the tide at that month? We'd have to go dig into that.

The data's in there, we'd have to dig into the data specifically, and probably to your point, we're a B2B company for the most part, right? We work with you know, we don't we don't go direct to consumer for well, we do for some stuff like the academy uh and and the individual courses, but for a lot of our consulting uh is our consulting was B2B. And so if we're following a B2B seasonal calendar, like you said, that could very well be uh just time of year, like summer, yeah. Of course, summer's gonna be dead, everyone's on vacation. Doing other things, yep.

So then it looked at uh are there are there or uh episodes that are showing uh lower historical pacing? Yes, AI forward content remixing, does AI belong on the arch track? And what is a gentic SEO? The other 10 are on or above historical pace. So uh it says this is a signal that you should be paying attention to, uh, the pacing of your episodes.

So for all of us who are podcast producers, we may want to have a system in place to monitor the pacing of an episode and let us know hey, if this episode is falling behind, maybe it's maybe it was the wrong fit for the audience. I see it also as if you have an episode that is pacing ahead of average, that might be time to to maybe throw an extra set of promos out, maybe you know, throw up some more short form video from that particular episode. Because if it's landing, if people are going, yeah, I want to tune into this episode in particular. Um, you may get it maybe worth doing if you have that early warning signal, like two days, three days after the episode airs, hey, alert uh you know, John, this episode of Marking Over Coffee is pacing ahead of usual. Put up some more clips.

Yeah, and you know, another thing that that struck me about that thinking about that more now too is because we have seen things where you'll see an episode doesn't do well initially, but then something happens later on down the line that makes it move. So that's also part of this I'd be interested in is you know, what does the tail look like? Is it the could we've always had that classic tale of like first three weeks there's all kinds of traffic and then it tends to die. But that could be part of a surge in a month, too, if some specific topic lit back up and you know managed to drag in a lot of traffic that can really, you know, light the stats up and change things. Yeah, uh yeah.

If you interviewed somebody at one point and then something happens with that famous person or a semi-famous person later on, you know, they got a new book comes out, they're they they had a uh big TED talk land, they got arrested for something. Uh suddenly all the searches come in. Right, right. Notorious or um just gathering the uh paparazzi. Exactly.

So for next steps for the insights from this, we now have to go, okay. Well, what's going on? Uh fix the directory issue. That's that's kind of a no-brainer. We can fix that.

Um promote more heavily on the places that you're getting stuff. Keep doing um the newsletter. What's interesting it says um the episodes read as click are not largely the episodes that download best. So that's something to be aware of. One of the things that we might want to do then thinking about is maybe in our newsletter, because we always have the call each week, and we have sort of an in case you missed a content of that week.

I might break out the podcast and the YouTube videos. The five most recent podcast episodes and the five most recent YouTube uh videos in the newsletters separate sections to sort of like a download, a download section in case people are just not seeing it. Yeah, it's it's amazing because it's you know, people just scan and if they like that topic, they'll click through. It doesn't matter, it's same deal, whether it's an article or a podcast or something. It you know, it's all topic driven.

So yeah, having that in there can't hurt. Yep. And so it also says hey, go go fix your libs in. Um one thing it said it was interesting. It says pull a comparison of raw versus IAB because they're different measures.

Uh, have you done that? Yeah, that that's a huge deal. So yeah, the uh the raw numbers um tend to, you know, and I am no expert on this, by the way. Let me put that out there immediately. But there is something as far as uniques versus um bundling up those those stats into a smaller number.

So the the short version is that raw number is always larger than the IAB number. The IB number is more conservative and is supposed to be filtering out whether it's bot traffic or there's there's a lot of weird things with the stats as far as and I've just seen it in the raw data of like, okay, let's say you go to a web page and you hit the player. There'll be times where the connection breaks, and so you may see that as like five different hits from one person, even though it's just one listen of the podcast. And so that's designed to kind of filter that out. But so yeah, I don't know though.

The the big question with that is like which should you go with then? And so the way we marketing over coffee has always gone with was, you know, IAB is more conservative, so you can't lose going with that route. Like no one will ever come back and say, Oh, you had a lot fewer downloads than you you told us, and you don't have to get into that fight. Um, but then there's also been weird things where stuff will show up in the raw because it's been picked up like in another player or it's it's run some other way, and those are legit listens and stats, and IAB filters those out. So it's definitely look worth looking at, but I don't know, you know, I I don't see it kind of changing the way you do business unless you like I said, unless if if you have if pleasing the advertisers and kind of giving them a constant story is important, then IAB makes sense, but otherwise it's just kind of a the part of the weirdness of podcast stats.

Which for Trust Insights, because our podcast is a branded podcast, like it's it's made by the brand. We are the only sponsor on it. Um, although if you do want a sponsor, you can uh contact John. We'd be happy to set up a program for you. Yes, that's always open.

Um but you know, we are the primary sponsor of our podcast and things, and so uh that I would lead I would personally as a data person lead more lean more towards raw, at least at the the you know, the the if you did if you had medallion architecture, you'd that would be the bronze level of data. Like, give me the raw data, and I I can figure out how to clean it up. Right. Unless you can accurately 100% explain the filtering, don't let the machine do the filtering for it. Don't let some filtering criteria that you don't understand happen because you could be shorting yourself some quality data.

Exactly. And it says here's your time frame, and then it has a short uh explanation. But that's when we talk about non-traditional podcast analytics, this is what we're talking about is measuring the entire ecosystem around your podcast to say not only here's what the here's the show, but here's everything that supports the show and how it's doing and how it's feeding things into the show. So if you're not measuring the ecosystem around your show, and you're trying to make decisions based on just your podcast numbers, you may be making bad choices. Yeah, yeah.

That's really because it's interesting, it becomes a branding thing, like you just said. You know, it's it's like there are a lot of people who recommend our podcasts who are not regular podcast listeners, but they know that you know, hey, if somebody's looking for this kind of podcast, and and so they are an influencer and they are a possible purchaser, but they don't show up in any kind of listening stats of any kind. Yeah, exactly. So let's take a look. Uh I'm gonna do this live because it seems like one of those things that should just be kind of a no brainer.

Uh, I'm gonna fix that issue. It says, hey, you need to change this in your uh in your podcast to show instead of the last 100 episodes, uh, upgrade it. So let's see if we can figure this out here. Podcast upgrade uh directory theme token. What is up with my mouse here?

Color. I don't see that setting. I'm gonna have to go back and dig around for it another time to see why it's it's saying that I only oh there is episode limit 100. Let's go to 1000. See if you can make this 100 and one, sure.

And save. All right. So first thing off the list is done. Yeah, that's great. Well, and that's nuts, right?

Because now that you know your feed's gonna dynamically update, and that's gonna send all the crawlers going to grab those other 900 episodes. So that's a big deal. Yeah, that's true. So when you think about measuring uh a podcast, any podcast, and you think about how can we how can we do this effectively? What else have you done?

Uh or what else would you ask an AI to do for you, even if you don't know the even how to write the code for it? If you know the statistical or measurement techniques, what else would you ask for? Yeah, that's it. Well, I mean, that report that you put together, I like I love that. I want to dig in more into that and just run down through to see what's in there as far as things that everyone else is doing.

Um, but yeah, I don't know. Again, we kind of hit the saturation point of like, well, it's already you know, you're creating great content is a ton of work. So the question is, is there anything that's really gonna make a massive difference? Now, up upping your feed like that, that's huge because anytime anybody new comes in, they're gonna be seeing 10x the content that they were seeing before. So that's giant.

Those are the kinds of things that you're looking for. Uh you know, I'd be interested. Uh, this specific one would be um better ways to do the short format stuff over on LinkedIn because you know, we've been doing some of that stuff, and every once in a while, I'm like, oh, that thumbnail is totally munched. Like it obviously the workflow thing is not working the way it's supposed to go. But yeah, any ways for AI to grab content and put it over another channel to to kind of do this whole federated network thing without a ton of additional labor.

That's definitely uh uh easy fruit. The other thing that it pointed out, and this is something that I'll probably do in the in the v2 of this because I know when Katie's back from vacation, she's like, okay, so put the report on my desk so I can review it, is it said if you have access to it, and we do grab your Google Search Console and your Big Webmaster Tools data to see what people are searching for and what URLs uh how many of them are the podcast uh in your Google Search Console, because you can see it, especially in Google Search Console, this was a relatively new thing, and I don't know if folks know this or not. Um, Search Console now allows you to have non-website data inside the system. So if I go to uh what is my mouse? Um I go to trust insights here, I share my screen.

Um, you can see that there's the trust insights website, but there's also our Instagram, our our X channel, our YouTube channel, and it provides search data. Hang on here. Let's do search data. I don't know what's gone my ass, uh, but it provides search data to the to Google Search Console of what people are searching for on that channel and how much of your stuff is showing up there, which is super helpful because you can then say, Well, okay, if if people are are searching for uh the podcast on X, even if we despise the site or and the people who own it, it is still relevant to our audience, right? Um if people are searching for us on Instagram, is you know that is still relevant for for good or ill.

Yeah, and you know that actually makes me think I had forgotten about this, but as far as SEO type stuff, like having hrefs running everything through Href, see what's going on there as far as who else in the world is pointing to you. You know, have you managed to make inroads into places that that's a really good point. So taking in uh measuring the inbound links to your podcast pages, how many people are linking to that podcast. Yeah, yeah. Rest of what it would be really interesting to see just kind of what impact have you had you know are there organizations that tend to point to you as the expert on specific topics that there could be some neat stuff in that yeah for sure.

And run five of your competitors too see you know related shows and see where those shows are doing things are showing up like where where should you be yeah that because that could give you potential because it one of the things it flagged was doing more outreach. But if you if you know where your competitors are getting their outreach to um say hey by the way if you're linking to this podcast here's our podcast link to it as well. Yeah right or especially the ones of like hey two years ago you linked to this cast maybe you want to link to one that's a little more current like sweet oh we know people like that. Yeah let's take a look at that let's let's take a look at at just href. So if you're not familiar the hrefs SEO tools if I change the target URL um and I the target URL contains uh this target UL contains let's see if there's any so there's 311 pages that link specifically to uh Trust Insights podcast.

Now a good chunk of them are us, right? Right. I was just gonna say so all the cross-linking and people don't realize that's not manual. Like you've built that entire system out. When stuff gets posted, it gets referenced in the newsletter, marketing over coffee and the TI cast promote each other.

Like all this stuff is is running infrastructure. Yeah, there's some in here that I don't recognize, like the CMO.com, um, the tilt. Uh that was um Robert Rose and Joe Pelzi's show. Uh I think I remember if it's still on the air or not. Social media examiner, Mike Stelltsman's show.

Um, so yeah, there's uh there's a bunch of folks that in addition to ourselves that are doing all of the cross-linking, and this there might be some opportunities in here for us to find additional stuff. So that was good, that's a good call. Yeah, yeah. Like you said, it's really you know, unfortunately, Joe Politzi's sleeping on his pile of money now. He doesn't have to work on anything, but we love you, Joe.

Um, okay. So I think that's a those would be extra things to add into the analysis. And that so what's interesting with with the way that we did this is if you bring in a new data source, you have to then tell your AI tool of choice, you now have to go back and re-look at the analytics catalog because there might be new techniques, you know. If you bring in competitive data and that, yeah, now there might be new techniques like pairwise combination holdouts um that weren't applicable previously in the last run of this, but now would be up for grabs in the current run because you now have differently shaped data. Yeah, right.

Every time, like you said, anytime there's a new source, the everything can change as far as what you're seeing on the results. Yeah. So are you going to go off and go and fire up uh your AI subscriptions, uh, favorite count and start coding stuff for marketing over coffee? No, you know, there's an episode of Marketing Over Coffee. I need to kick out the door today.

So yeah, no, that's not gonna happen today. But um, I'm definitely, yeah, I again to be able to do more of that chunking and get on other platforms and then uh the HRFs thing. I'm I'm interested. But yeah, no, unfortunately, there's uh other brush fires that are much bigger today and tomorrow that I gotta jump on. What would it take to make you want to do that to go that route?

Because you know, obviously you want the show to grow. Um, and if we have good analysis, what's prevent you from saying, you know what, let me fire up anti-gravity or clawed code or whatever and just take a shot at it. Yeah, I think the big thing is to do that first exploratory round, you know, like look at that report and start going down that list and match what it's because that that's the world of possibilities, but then I have to layer some reality on it. Like, like, yeah, I could spend time digging around an X, but I'd like I'm just not going to do that on a moral level and you know, stuff and LinkedIn at the other end of the spectrum. I would love to do anything that maybe increases LinkedIn that could be automated.

That's cool. So yeah, it would just be going down the priority list and cherry picking the two or three I think could do the biggest thing and go with those to start with. Yeah. Okay. Well, if you have comments or questions and things about about this particular task you want to uh chat about at pop IRF Slack, go to Justice.ai slash analytics for marketers, where you and 4,700 of the folks are asking and answering each other's questions every single week.

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