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title: "So What? Current status of AI image generation"
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date: 2025-05-02
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# So What? Current status of AI image generation

## Summary

In today's episode, I walk through the current state of AI image generation tools and compare their capabilities to what existed two years ago across ChatGPT, Midjourney, Google Gemini, Meta, Flux, and Photoshop. Here's what this means for you. You gain a clear-eyed view of which tools actually deliver usable results today and which ones still fall short so you can pick the right ones for your marketing workflow. You'll also learn these concepts: why specific prompts and reference photos dramatically improve generated images, how slot machining generates workable outputs through multiple attempts, and why you need to conduct human review and ethical due diligence on every AI-generated image before publishing.

[embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22cmJDps2Q[/embed]

## Key Takeaways

- You'll learn how ChatGPT now handles text rendering, faces, and aspect ratios far better than the tools managed two years ago

- You'll discover why supplying reference headshots and detailed context helps Midjourney produce images that actually resemble the people you specify

- You'll explore the slot machining approach of generating multiple variations and selecting the best output for your marketing assets

- You'll see how Photoshop's generative fill extends existing photos more reliably than pure AI tools create convincing faces from scratch

- You'll understand why ethical due diligence and compliance checks remain your responsibility before you publish any AI-generated image

## Full Transcript

Well, hey everyone. Happy Thursday. Welcome to So What, the Marketing Analytics and Insights live show. Uh I am Katie joined by John. And as you can see, John and I are trying to remember how all the buttons work.

Chris is traveling this week. John, how's it going? Good. Yeah. It's so funny.

It's like banging the rust off the machine here as we use it. I like I was in Keynote today. I haven't been in Keynote in like seven or eight months. It was ridiculous. So yeah.

So today today's show, I would just have to say out the gate, there's a very Saturday night live feeling to this show because the stuff that I've got to show today, it's not that it's ready to go and it's a fantastic presentation that's right where I want it to be. It's going on today because it's one o'clock on Thursday. And so we're gonna go with what we've got, and this is gonna be it. Well, and and you know what? I uh we were talking pre-show um when I should have been remembering how to start the show, but we were talking pre-show that I feel like it's okay that the stuff we do is a little bit more raw and unpolished because we're learning and growing along with everybody else who's trying to figure it out.

Um and so this week we are talking about the current status of AI image generation. And so when we last talked about this two years ago, which is crazy, John, you and me. Remember, we did the episode. Things have come so far, and I personally have not had the time to really test everything. So this is where we're gonna start to explore like what the heck's happening with AI image generation.

So where would you like to start? Yeah, well, it could, you know, we can still stick to the framework and talk about what we're trying to do here. So the first one, you know, is let's just start with the use case here. So as a marketing professional that needs to use graphics, I want to figure out what is the state of these tools now. Now we've checked two years ago, we want to see where they're at today.

And I'm doing this so that we can take advantage of some of this stuff. Like some of these tools can maybe help out with what we're doing on a daily basis. And and I kind of in general, when we did that first round, the results were so bad that I basically said, Yeah, we're this is too early. Like, forget this. We're not, I'm just not going to use these things for now.

And um, and it is funny, it is like two years to within 10 days since we did this last you know. Um, so obviously, as everyone knows, Chris is on the road for April. Like, that's one of the hottest conference seasons, which is why we end up having to run the ship at least for a week or two while he's he's on the road. So, I mean, let's be clear. I'm still in charge, I'm just not the technical front of the company.

Right. Well, it's just it he spends so much time in the trenches with this stuff that he can just pop his head out once a week and be like, hey, look, here's all the insane stuff I found, and that's all the show. Whereas, you know, you and I are actually doing the business things and like you know, the guardrails that keep this uh moving. We're not the technical demo guys, right? Exactly.

We're not we're not the mad scientists of the crew here. We're like the bus driver. So you're getting like the uh John Candy and Melissa McCarthy of uh Trust Insights here holding this together. You know, but you know, when I think about this user story. So, so you know, as a marketing professional, I want to see what's going on with AI image generation so that I can see where it fits into what I'm doing.

A lot of companies are going to say, well, we have a whole creative team. Trust insights does not have a creative team as evidenced by our website and anything else that we put out there. And so for a small company like ours, where that role just as much as we need it hasn't been a priority in our budget, finding tools to make some images better than like you or I can make images, John. I don't know about you. I took art for about 10 years and after 10 years, I was still at day one.

Like I don't have a creative bone in my body. And so putting like images and graphics together, it's just not a skill set I possess. So like when I see tools like this that can help me, you know, I'm really excited to get the support. All right, cool. Well we've got uh Brian has already chimed in and he loves mid-journey for style but chat GBT seems to the best detects.

Yes, we have some classic tech stuff we're going to be showing to everybody here. So uh yeah you'll get a kick out of this. And yeah you bring up a great point which is the that dividing line of like okay the general public kind of needs these tools to you know if you have if you don't have a graphic designer well your options are go take some pictures go buy something or throw a prompt together and see what the heck you get out of it. But a lot of what we're going to show today is too that I've called slot machining. You know this idea that you throw something in there and you pull the lever and you kind of have no idea what the heck is going to come out.

And uh yeah, it's uh I mean I might as well let me just dive into some of the start with the uh with the show here. And again, this is going to be great here. See if I can get all this stuff to work here. Uh okay, so that's that I need to share this thing. How the hell do I fire that?

Or are you the only one that can fire that? All right, there we go. All right, so that's running. I've got this window. All right, so this is it.

This is the exact deck we had used two years ago. AI for image generation. So this is where we started. So our angle back then was uh we had framed it in terms of podcasting. It was like, okay, so what are you using for podcasting to create images for the show?

And we covered three tools at the time stable diffusion, Dolly 2, Mid Journey 5. And then we also talked about transcripts, and that's become a whole other thing. Um, which is interesting, this idea of using these AI tools to generate transcripts of the shows themselves, and you know, how accurate are they? And accuracy was a huge problem back when we ran this. That was something that didn't um you know didn't come through clean at all, but has really cleaned up a lot.

Um, but yeah, we I kind of only had enough time to go down the rabbit hole for images and figure out you know what is going on this front. So uh as we dig in, all right. So I we swapped out ditched the transcripts and decided to go with image tools. And this was just like everything that I always do on this front. Uh I just go to Chris and I say, Hey, I need the new tools.

What what should I be digging into? Tell me the good ones. And this was the list he gave. He's like, All right, chat GPT, Google Jedi, Google Gemini, Facebook Meta, and that was his exact quote. They're doing some crazy stuff.

Uh flux one dot AI and Meta Llama 4. And so then I so net and I, you know, uh innocently, I was like, oh well, I'll just go pull these and go. But now I'm realized, you know, I realized as I dug in that, like, okay, so I've got to go test the old models, and I've got a whole new grocery list of new ones. So I've like more than doubled the work for figuring out what's going on here. Um, so you know, the adventure begins.

I started to jump in. And the original case that we had run was this Simon Sinek interview over on marketing over coffee. And you know, there was a graphic up there, there's uh the show notes, and the idea was okay, what can we use for AI tools to you know just generate some stuff for this? And to give you a little bit more of an idea, too. You know, here's Simon, handsome guy.

That's him with his book. That's the marketing over coffee show logo that gets used on the episode. So, like this is stuff that's out there on the web that these models are going to pull from. And so we had started with that. And yeah, back at the day we used uh stable diffusion, which back then it was confusing, like you couldn't even find it on the web.

You had to like go to a secondary website and get there, and it hasn't gotten any better too. Now, let me so stable diffusion is now owned by Amazon and it's baked into a bunch of tools. Like I couldn't even, I don't think there is an interface where you can just go to and say, hey, stable diffusion cranked me out of picture. Although I could be wrong on that because all these things are are are all over the place. Um, but so and then this is what it came up with, and this was what we were just dying about, you know, talking about how it just could not get text right at the time.

Yeah, and you know, we had like drunk Popeye Simon Sinek over here on the top right. Like, I I don't know what was up with that, and basically all the inches came up with similar things, and in the bottom right there, like weird hands that was still a thing all over the place at that time. So that was where we're at. Well, you know, just jaw dropping when I fire things up now. I go to chat GPT two years later, and just the same prompt, right?

Create an image for marketing over coffee podcast, interview with Simon Sinek, and it throws back. Yeah, is that nuts? I was like, oh, wow, okay. So, first of all, it's correct language. It didn't, it didn't like bungle all the words.

And um, I don't know Simon, but I'm fairly certain that's you know, a close enough replica that someone wouldn't think, like, oh, that's not him. Yeah, isn't it? It's like bang on. But then it totally kicked it to another level too. Because I was like, all right, so you know, game has totally changed, like I need to figure out what's going on.

But then after it fired the image, this is the next thing it said to me. I said, Wow, that's really good. He said, I'm glad you liked it. Would you like variations or version formatted for social media? And I was like, oh, whoa.

Of course I do. Because that was the big beef was uh two years ago, it all of them would just crank out like here's a 100 by 100 image, or here's a 300 by like you had no control over the sizes of them, right? But now for it to just be like, okay, yeah, you know, crank me out a LinkedIn one, crank me out a next version, crank me out an Instagram one. Um, so that was I was like, okay, chat GPT is like bringing the A game here. This is a whole new um new thing.

And now as we dig into the um, you know, chat GPT was not doing images, and I I'd have to go back and look. Maybe chat GPT was publicly available, so we could get in there, but images were oh, yeah, chat GPT was publicly available, but at that time, two years ago, it wasn't doing image generation, and so it's only you know, and I apologize if I'm misquoting the timelines, but it feels like it was only within the past few months that you could do image generation easily within the chat GPT interface without being sent somewhere else. And so now it's baked into part of the opening prompt where it's like, you know, what do you want to do today? Or what question? And image generation is just baked in.

It's not like, oh, let me find where image generation is. Go to that and find somewhere else. Like it's all in one place now. And I feel like that's a fairly recent, and by that I mean within like 2025 uh feature. Yeah, and I if I've got the lineage right too.

Now Dolly 2 that we had originally tested is not available. You can't even get to it anymore. And Dolly 3 is baked into a bunch of tools and chat GPT does call Dolly 3. So this it sort of looks like where it goes. But that that brings up another point along the way that was just crazy to deal with with all of these things is all of them have different kinds of paywalls and gates and they're tied to other people.

Like there were a number of services where it's connecting to our Trust Insights business account. So I I wasn't really clear on which ones are free and which ones are we getting some tokens because we're already paying for the Google stuff. Um and getting into the meta stuff, I'll we'll talk about that. That was a whole different road to go down and get lost on. But um but so that was chat GPT, uh, you know, kind of coming out of the gate and really surprising me as far as kind of what can be done and where it could go.

So Google Gemini was the next stop on the list, right? Like, what where is this gonna go and what's gonna happen with this? And this uh is where I ended up with that, you know. I was just like, all right, what have you got? And it's like, well, sorry, not working today.

And uh, you know, it sat overnight and still did not even come up with anything. Um, and so it's basically broken, and that was something that I ran into. That's why I was like, all right, I gotta do screenshots of this stuff because I don't want to be sitting here and having prompts take on me uh or not going. Um so mid-journey. Uh looking back, so this is another thing.

When we were looking at mid-journey, it it didn't even have a web interface, like you had to go to Discord and right. I forgot about that. Right, is that not it? It was totally you know blocked from the rest of the world that this was the only way to get over to it. Well, so this time I I go in and run, and this is it had done a good job as far as coming up with some stuff.

You know, it's still the words were messed up, but at least, you know, I don't know, he he looks a little bit more like Simon Cynic. It's still not him, obviously, but at least it was closer to the mark. Um, but then I got in, I was like, Oh, okay, no, membership start at $10 a month. And I was like, okay, ChatGBT is doing fine for free, or at least on the trust insights version of whatever the heck paid is, and so I'm not gonna cough up 10 bucks to figure out what it can do. So maybe it is better than all the other stuff out there, but I was not about to go down that route.

Um I did have another interesting thing. So when we were testing that out, Chris had a prompt, he was like, Hey, fire it uh against these styles of art, you know, see what would happen. Okay, Gil Elvgren does these kind of 1950s um pulp fiction kind of madman-ish, yeah. Yeah, totally uh madmen, you know, uh thing. And so this is what it'd come up with for Christopher and I drinking coffee in a uh in a bar.

And I totally see the resemblance. I know it's an yeah, exactly. Like, look, which is Chris, which is me. I you know, it's I mean, it's man, you must think it's like looking in a mirror. So the the thing was, okay, you know, what's happened in two years?

Where do we go with this? What's gone? And interestingly enough, again, as I we ran this through, it was like, oh, okay, you know, same prompt. Here's Christopher S. Penn, John J.

Well in a bar drinking coffee by Gil Elvgren. And even this summary that comes back, wow, that's a fun and imaginative prompt. Christopher S. Penn and John Jay Wall, known for their work in marketing and podcasting, styled in a scene by Gil Elvgren, famous pinup artist. And so it even asks, hey, do you want us to come up with a general image or do you want to upload a photo?

And so that I did. This was a whole change, you know, of actually giving it what it wanted to look like. So and this is a shot from a good 10 years ago. I was gonna say, look at the babies. Yes, exactly.

Baby faces. This is we were talking with David Meerman Scott a long time ago. Um, and but it did tank initially too. It was like, okay, a lot of people are creating images, so it's gonna have to sit. And I don't think it was overnight, but I did have to come back a couple of hours later.

But the you know, final output of that. Oh wow. I mean, it it looks like neither of you, but it looks more like you than the than it did two years ago. Right, exactly. My thought was um, it's way better than anything else that had come out previously, and yet it's still horrible.

Uh-huh. Like it's definitely not us, but it is a lot clos. And the the other kind of interesting thing with that was that it didn't get as close on the stylistic uh side of it. Like these candelabras are definitely not 1950s, you know, going on. But uh that was at least interesting that you know the current tools now are are way ahead of uh what we had two years ago.

So I mean, it at least has a passing resemblance to us. Um oh, all right, and so then another one was we're talking about show images, right? We were talking about you know, put something out there, and this was the prompt at the time was a cup of coffee on a studio table next to a studio microphone and an iPhone because this that was kind of the you know, the classic um podcast images of the time. And it came up with all these weirdo microphones, you know, it was like patching uh bizarro cables and photo equipment and stuff, and then of course the other joke was every coffee cup must have a latte tree on it, you know, you must have to have that. Um but overall it was pretty close.

Well, it was the same deal. We ran that through, and right out of the gate, they come up with something that's you know pretty much dead on. Less um complicated, but you know, none of the weird artifacts are bizarress. It was a lot closer to this strikes me as I'm giving you exactly what you asked for, which is why when we talk about prompting, we talk about specificity and getting detailed. And so we obviously have you know a bunch of different uh prompt structures, the most recent being trust insights.ai slash repel.

So, you know, the repel framework will walk you through getting really uh sophisticated. But what you asked for was a cup of coffee on a studio table next to a studio microphone and an iPhone. And I would say like 95% of what you asked for is there. It's a little, you can see like on the right side of the mic, it's a little wonky, but like that's only if you really look at the image for a very long time. Otherwise, you'd be like, oh, there's coffee and a mic and a phone, you're good.

It's exactly what you asked for. Yeah, isn't it? It's amazing how it just does again what it says. And this was, you know, learning from the previous round was hey, your prompts have to be a whole lot better. Like I was all my prompts are obviously garbage because I'm not getting what I want.

But the thing was I did want to use the same prompts for this round so that we could see that gap of where it's going to go. But yeah, you can if you, you know, that's the great thing of all. These are just the ugly first shots. You know, if you keep talking to it and and moving it along, you can get closer to where you want to go. Um and yeah, it can come up with some interesting stuff.

Um let me think. We also had, did I get into meme? Oh, Facebook Meta. Yeah. Okay.

So this was the next uh I was ready to dig into this and kind of see where it goes. It gave me just a headache trying to get in the door. It would not let me get in. And it was a matter of like, it wanted to verify my age, it wanted me to do captches, it wanted me to log in with my Facebook account. And I kept chiping away and chipping away.

Finally, I had to go out of my browser and go to a browser that was my personal one that I use Facebook so it could grab my Facebook login, which for some reason it couldn't do. And so it came up with this, which uh I don't know. I mean, what's your gut on this one here? Well, again, I don't know Simon that well, so I can't say, oh yeah, that totally looks like him, or that's him adjacent. But I don't, I mean, I don't look at this image and immediately think, oh, there's weird stuff in there.

Um, but knowing that it's an AI generated image, I want to know who the other person is. Like, where did that person come from? Like, you know how this is a little weird. You know how, like, when you have a dream and it like puts together people that you've literally never seen, and they're meant to represent people you may have like passed in the grocery store, or like one time when you were five at the amusement park, you maybe saw a face. That's what this, you know, strikes me as is like, where did that face come from?

Yeah, that was the one that got me too. And like, why is that person so small? They're kind of like they're either like squatting down, or it's a child with a five o'clock shadow. Right, because it's like a regular head, but like way down lower than it should be. And yeah, the Simon things look like it, it's like 95% Simon, but it's it's kind of like, or did you make an evil clone of Simon?

You know, it's like it's definitely not him 100%. And there is a little weirdness with his hand there. He's got a little, I don't know what the heck is going on there under his thumb. There's like a half finger in there or whatever. The other thing that was interesting to me was the idea that the green awning is across the street.

Like that's you can totally think of that's a Starbucks poll, right? Like every Starbucks has a green awning, but here it's across the street. So that was kind of well. So maybe he's in the indie coffee shop and the Starbucks is across the street. So it's like uh, you know, uh a social commentary against shopping small businesses.

Right. It's uh it's uh by local, you know, the the shockingly like Starbucks, but aren't Starbucks. So that was where that was so uh that was to say I was kind of like all right, it was a lot of headache to get over here, and the results were a little bit weird, so uh that's enough for me on that front. Um flux one.a this is what I knew nothing about. This was another one like Chris was like, oh, go dig that up, go check this out.

And uh as I get, you know, I go to the website and it's just you know the classic, I know classic like tech right out of the game. I'm like, okay, we have you know, women and cats and right on the mark. But then at first I was like, all right, this, you know, seems to be something that's different from everything else. So let's get started. Let's fire up.

And I go to the first screen and they show a sample image, and it says, you know, flex AI image generator result. The original prompt was a dark-haired woman in her early 30s playing the piano. And I'm like, that's not a piano. I don't know what the story of that is. So that was a little bit weird.

So you can imagine I was like, all right, let's fire this up. Let's throw the MOC uh prompt in there. And it was like two years back, you know, like uh you know, no dice with the words. We've got some coffee cups. You know, I often sprinkle whole beans around my morning coffee just for you know aesthetic effect.

Right, it makes it feel more coffee if there's a couple of it makes it feel more like coffee shop to have like just beans everywhere getting under everything. And this is another interesting one too. I've noticed on a couple of tools, having the watermark on the image, you know, like hey, we're taking all this stolen stuff, but now this is ours. We're defending this. So here's a watermark because we wouldn't want people just willy-nilly grabbing images and doing stuff with it on the internet.

That would be well, but you know, it's it's the old school uh business model where you know, like getty images or something like that. Like, if you want to do it for free, you have to deal with the watermark. But if you want that watermark out of there, you know, pay up. Isn't it? Yeah, that's well, you know you're a marketer when you go out to a restaurant or a hotel somewhere and you're like, wait a minute, that's a getty image.

I see the watermark on that. I got like, oh, I've seen that laptop coffee cup uh notebook before. Right, right. That ethnically diverse group huddled around the laptop in the conference room. Oh my god.

Yep. That's how that's all right. So flux One is stuck a couple years behind. Yeah, flux. Yeah.

So what like, oh, so and we also I thought. So wait, Meta Facebook is different from Meta Lama for. Right. This is the you know, he just gives me the list, and I'm like, okay, what the heck are all these things? So Meta Lama, and then I realized as I dug in.

The idea with Llama is that runs locally. The whole thing with Llama is you can download it and have it on your computer and go. But I was I was like, okay, so Meta, you know, powered on their servers didn't do that well. So should I set it up on my machine? And I was just like, yeah, that got well, and I will say we have done episodes on the live stream where Chris has walked through how to set up local machines.

So if you want to go to those, uh find those instructions, go to trustinsights.ai slash YouTube, go to our um so what playlist, and we've done quite a few episodes on setting up local AI. Um, it's not easy. Once you have it set up, yes, you can run it uh fairly straightforward. Like the systems themselves have their interfaces, but it's the actual setup and knowing that you're going to be using up memory on your computer in order to do this. Yeah, and I was just, you know, it was just a George Bush not gonna happen.

Not gonna happen. I'm just not gonna build a server and like play around with it and spend time on that. It's a good opportunity to revisit the user story because you know, as a marketing professional, I want to understand what's working in AI image generation so that I can figure out what, you know, to use. And if your criteria doesn't involve setting up a local model, great. Get it right out of there.

Then don't even consider that as part of your tech stack because these are things that you need to be able to make work for you, not just what everybody else is using. And that's something that we talk about a lot is there's a lot of AI hype right now. I mean, has been. And we all sort of get this feeling like, oh, we're being left behind and you know, I'm not moving fast enough. Really challenge yourself to think what works for me specifically.

And for you, John, setting up a local model doesn't work. And that's okay. That means that it's not the right tool for you. Yes, that was it was where I was gonna dodge that bullet there. Uh it's Brian just brought up a point.

I I'd heard about this mid-journey print magazine. I have not checked it out myself, though. So I'll throw that out there if anybody wants to dig into that. The idea that you get a print magazine and it has the images and the prompts, so you can get ideas on what kind of prompts that you should be writing and give you some guidance on that front. So thanks for that, Brian.

Let's throw that out there. Uh all right. No, your memes. Now there was a there's been a lot of stuff with image generation and memes. So we wanted to get that out.

The first one uh was the one that I ran yesterday, which was a reminder that it's gonna be May. And uh I was definitely underwhelmed by this one when I put that in there. I was expecting something a little more NSNC. So obviously I know the original meme, but I don't know what it means in this context. So I mean, this is all a surprise to me as it is for hopefully a lot of our viewers.

Like this is all new information for me. Yeah, I've you know, I figured we were doing image memes, but you know, it being May 1st, the the May meme is on fire today. And so uh I you know dropped a prompt in there to see what kind of image uh this one I think was from Gemini. And yeah, I was you know, the original meme is Justin Timberlake, and this was kind of underwhelming. So I we blew past that.

The next one, um I believe is this is uh again is like keynote issues here. I can't see my next slide, so I'm rolling the dice here. But I'm thinking we're it's Muppet images. Are you ready for the Muppet? I'm I am ready.

I love Muppets. There we go. This is me and you as Muppets. Huh. And so the thing with this is I'm still cursed by John Wall from the Washington Wizards NBA basketball player.

I was gonna say, is it confusing you with the other John Wall? Because otherwise I have some concerns about how that turned out. Right, exactly. Where this is at no, so basically the idea is that you know, 50 billion John Wall basketball photos are out there, and so that has outweighed everything else uh, you know, in the world out there. And so you and I have been dragged into the NBA.

And so I was gonna say I couldn't understand the basketball connection, but now it makes more sense. Yeah, that's there. And now I was actually, what do we have? We're we're not bad for time. I was thinking about trying to clean this up and run it again.

I don't know. Do you want me to try and run that? Yeah, if so, you know, I can sort of talk through what it is that you're doing. If you want to get that set up, I would give it our headshots if you have those handy, because otherwise it thinks that you're an NBA player, which I mean you might have really good skills. And so here I am rambling to give you time to get this set up on the back end.

So go ahead and be doing that. Um, you know, and then because by association, it didn't bother to try to figure out who I was, it just said, oh, well, if John Wall is an NBA player, then Katie Robert must be part of the NBA as well and a commentator. And so, like, in terms of me as a Muppet, this if I gave it a picture of me with curly hair and a sunburn, maybe, but otherwise, I don't think uh this is you know accurate. So I'm seeing your mouse move around a lot, John. Is this something we should skip and come back to?

Well, no, here, I've just I've thrown in the prompt. Oh in fact, all right, if we want to go live here, I have to go live. Switch this. I have to remove that and then let me present a different screen. That's a different file.

Uh but so you know, again, this goes back to good prompting. And it's not just about good prompting, it's about giving enough background information in order to get what it is that you're actually looking for. So if you oh, there's there's us. Um, I think that was from marketing profs. Oh no, this was was this this past year?

Yeah, that was probably 2024. Um, and so it's it's not enough just to give it a prompt. If you want to give it more context and get more accurate results, give it background information. So if for some reason, you know, you're going through this whole um, you know, my team has to be Muppets, maybe give it some images of Muppets, give it a lot of different versions of pictures of people on your team, and then give it the prompt, and that's gonna get you better results overall. But just saying, you know, here's my name, turn me into a prompt.

Uh, I mean, turn me into a Muppet is not a strong enough prompt. And you can see that's what happens because you know, no offense to you, John Jay Wall, but John Wall, the basketball player, is much more famous than you. So clearly that's what it found first because you gave it no context to say, I'm looking for John J. Wall, the podcaster, not John Wall, the NBA player. All right.

So it's grinding and running. I can smell the smoke here as this is doing its thing. Oh, wait. Oh. It was almost, I thought it was doing something.

But it's not. I think you have to that's our picture. That's the source. That's the original image. So I don't know.

All right. We'll let's move on and we'll come back if it decides to do its thing. Yeah, exactly. Let me remove this one here. Stop screen.

Let me. It's it's too bad that I can't. I should be able to tab between windows. I should be able to like, hey, run a different one. All right.

I'm coming back to the presentation here. So what we can do in the post show when we put put this up on the website and everything is we can also share some of the pictures that uh we didn't get to show. So if the if the Gemini prompt actually goes through, we can show that version as well in the post show notes. All right. So that was that one.

All right. This was the one you had teased in the beginning, action figure. This is the other meme that's out there. And it was actually kind of funny. It was over in Dolly 2, where there's some discussion of this.

Turn yourself into an action figure. As I drilled down in, here's the prompt that we had used for this. Um if you want, I'll throw the prompt. That'll be over in the analytics for marketers. Uh board, you can go over there, get a copy of this, and you can try it out.

And uh so I have not tried this, so it's something that I see everyone else doing, and I was like, oh, I should get to that eventually, and I just haven't. But so I'm I'm interested to see what happens. All right, yeah. And so um I did a first run, and we basically filled in a bunch of stuff about you. So the first shot was like, okay, let's make Katie into an action figure, and there we go.

Huh. Okay. So wearing my leprechaun hoodie. I I yeah, I said hoodie, and then um I think I said something about uh St. Patrick's Day theme.

So I it's kind of weird, a green mask. We got the dog. I putting data on the coffee cup, that was not I I just said coffee cup, and it threw data on there. So that was pretty interesting. I was surprised with that.

Um I feel like perhaps, and maybe can you go back a slide to the to the prompt? Yeah, yeah. To the no to the slide before that. Oh so you see this Ryan Allen, and so it looks a little bit more 3D than the one that it came up with from me. But I wanted what I wanted to see was how detailed the face was, or if it was still very cartoonish.

Because I look at this, I'm like, well, that just kind of looks like a like a color form versus an action figure. Yeah, so that's a great point. Because I thought the same thing. I was like, you know, that really looks cartoony, it barely looks real. So we go back and fired up another prompt here.

I was like, okay, let me put you know, put all my stuff in there. And the big thing was I I switched it to more of a Kenner Star Wars action figure and make the figure more muscular, you know, to see like what it could come out. Oh, sure. You get all the good details, that's fine. Here's I know, isn't this?

I'm I'm like, well, first of all, I didn't put dwarfism in the prompt anywhere. I don't know. Well, and your your action figure is so big and muscular that you're outside of the packaging for said action figure. Is it and like for some reason there's no blister pack for the figure? No.

Well, because you're so muscular. Right. Like you've sort of hulked out of it. Yeah. So I, you know, if I were to do future prompts, I would dial it back a little bit.

I it did totally. I look like a polypocket, and you're just hulking out of your blasting. For some reason, I have two Thor hammers. I don't know what that's about. I have two Thor hammers, that's right.

Okay. So I gotta say, I'm underwhelmed by my action figure. I would not buy her off the shelf. This is so funny. The comments have totally blown up here.

Uh the Muppet show theme playing, yes, absolutely. Um Greg mentioned coffee puppy laptop. Believe in yourself is said AI sense of humor. So yeah, I so that was, you know, the action figure meme. I yeah, I don't know.

That's a little bit creepy and weird as far as I'm concerned, but yeah. I think, you know, you could I'm I'm gonna try it and see if I can get a better version. So did you give the prompt uh a headshot as well for reference? For both, yeah, which is interesting. Yeah.

Interesting. And so my action figure has decided that there's zero definition to my face. Well, no, I think it was just it took the cartoony a little too serious. And another thing, yeah, I didn't get to do any slot machining on this. Like, it would be fun just to run the exact same thing again and just see how different it is, you know, um, or or where it goes.

Um, all right. And oh yeah, all right. So yeah, we actually have I was concerned we were gonna burn through this in 10 minutes and we haven't, so that's great. But I do want to hit a couple of the other things. And Photoshop was the big one.

Um, in doing show images, this was an interesting one. I wanted to do uh the episode was on AI clones, and so I said, just make me a show image of AI clones. And it was interesting. This is again, uh I I call this hot dogging the idea that like you ask for stake, but you get something that's based on everything out there that's not as good. And so, you know, because you've got Star Wars with Attack of the Clones and all this Star Wars stuff about clones out there, it actually pulled it towards Star Wars.

Yeah, there's kind of a C3PO here and R2 D2, and this is kind of a Vader over here that it's pulled over in that direction. Uh I was gonna say, is this meant to be like famous cloned throughout history? Because it's very like I don't get it. Yeah, I I was just you know, I this was totally a let me just throw it to you and see what the AI generates. And I the prompt was, you know, create AI clones, do a batch of clones, um, you know, and just show me what you get.

And this was it, yeah. And for some reason it spread them over history, which was kind of interesting, but uh but that's where it got. And and then this, I wanted to lead this as transition to talk about Photoshop because all these other things are you know, freestanding tools, but Photoshop has a bunch of stuff baked in, and there's other tools that have this image generation baked right into the product. And I wanted to throw this one out here. This is Tom Webster from our interview with him, and I wanted to lead with the result first.

I what do you think about this, Katie? Is this does this work? You know again, it's I know Tom Webster well enough that I would look at this and not instantly think AI generated. I would think it looked close enough. Like I wouldn't, because you know, here's the thing like with all of these images, with anything we put out there, the content, the social.

As much as we want to think people are like studying it and cherishing it, these are not works of art. People are giving it maybe a two second glance and then moving on. They're giving it a longer glance if something is apparently wrong with it or sticks out, or there's an anomaly. But there's nothing really anomalous about this. It looks enough like Tom Webster that I would look at this and go, oh, Tom Webster, and then move on with my day.

Yeah, it actually is Tom Webster. So this is the headshot that we've used for the extra. So you you've got that now. The big thing is I get these images all the time. I get regular headshots.

And this one is better than average for Tom because it's it's got most of them. Some are literally just ahead. And I'm like, okay, how the heck do I make just a head into a 820 wide magazine format shot? Yeah. And so this is on the Photoshop does pretty well.

I if you give them the I give them the Tom image, and then I'm able to just say, okay, extend the background based on the original shot. And this is what it comes up with. Um I'm I'm guessing it does it pretty well because that's what the software was meant to do in general. You know, so it's not like you're bringing it to an AI image generator that doesn't do this. Like Photoshop is meant to do this manually or with AI.

So I'm not surprised. Like you can see, like maybe the background, like you could see if someone did like a rack focus where it's like focused on Tom, the background is meant to be blurry. It looks like it could be a regular photograph. You wouldn't first immediately go, oh, must be AI. Yeah, right.

It does cross over enough that like the first your first inclination is not, oh, that's fake. Like you're just like, okay, that that looks pretty decent. Um, to give a couple of so this is Mari Smith, you know, same deal, just the shot of her with the chair. And this looks like it could be a hotel lobby or something. And this is believable.

Um could run with that. Um, and uh Kazi Bruno here. This one was interesting. I had run it and it was just got too busy. And so I used a little vignetting and you know, brightened up her original shot, um, so that she's still focused.

But yeah, these are all good. But and all of these are still uh you're dealing with slot machining. You know, it'll give you three that come out the door, and usually one of them is horrible, you know, it just doesn't work at all. Uh, and you can usually get one or two that are on the mark. And same deal, you can refine your prompts and get closer if you want to go.

Um, but then like for pure image generation, like this is it's still not that solid. I we had a show where mariachis came up for some reason. And like that's mariachi's is a recurring theme. The sangria is a recurring theme on the show. But you know, when you drill in close, like those don't look those are like nightmare.

Yeah, that's like a little bit weird. So so the kind of pure AI, you know, it's still not there for getting that together. Um but again, it goes back to the more, and this is true of text-based prompting and image prompting, the more background information you can give it, the more research you've done already, the more data you can provide, the better the results are gonna be. But asking it to create something from scratch to your point is slot machining. And you know, I don't know about Photoshop in the last three or four months, but you know, the last times, few times I've dug in, like it's just not there with faces.

It just cannot make a face that it that works right. If you want an intelligent fill or a background or something pulled out, um, yeah, it works great. Um, but yeah, I've been struggling with that. I actually had, oh well, we should let's just see if our Muppet, let me see if anything came up on the Muppet side there. Yeah, it's choked on the Muppet.

I don't know what's wrong with that. Um, although let me download that, just make sure that yeah, no, the download is still us. So it just can't handle us as Muppets, unfortunately. I think that's where we're at uh on that. But uh I I did want to take a couple seconds too.

Uh ethics and compliance have have kind of come up. I mean, one thing for me was just rampant theft, you know, people in these machines grinding out stuff that are trademarked images or people um and modifying images without consent, you know, teams that could use stuff to change images or or do things they you know shouldn't be doing with images. Um and you you as organizational behavior expert, this was where I wanted to at least get some of your opinions on where you think this stuff is going and what needs to be watched and and where are we at today. Well, you know what's interesting, and you know, this is something that I say with Chris a lot on the podcast and in other contexts is new tech doesn't solve old problems. If anything, it just highlights existing problems and magnifies them.

And so, you know, uh art theft and modifying images without consent, that's not an AI problem. It's just a problem that's been exacerbated by AI and puts more of a spotlight on it because things are being generated more rapidly. But, you know, I mean, think about you know, someone, you know, a v a famous Van Gogh painting, like, you know, Starry Knight or, you know, the like his sunflower, something like that. There's no shortage of people who have made replicas of that and passed them off as originals or close enough to try to make a quick buck off of it, you know, or you know, there's um, you know, you have the brands that are on like Amazon or Etsy, they're knockoffs of small businesses that the small business has to go out and find in order to see, hey, you were selling my thing, it's not proper trademark. Like this is not, I guess my point is this is not an AI specific issue, you know, the uh the theft and the modifying the images, it's an issue in general with content creation image generation.

AI just makes it happen faster or sometimes harder to spot. And so, you know, it then it goes back to making sure you have a clear user story. Why am I using image generation in the first place? But then also digging deeper into the five Ps, purpose, people, process, platform performance, and your risk mitigation. So with AI in general, without getting too deep into, you know, the compliance, you need to be willing to accept a certain amount of risk with whatever is generated with AI so that you can say, AI created this thing, I stand behind it, I'm putting it out into the public now because now it's not just AI generated, my name is on it as well as someone who is endorsing this thing, you know, and so with image generation, you're saying, okay, AI created this thing, but now my name is under it.

So if it's copyright infringement, if it's you know, just a straight up, you know, ripoff of something, I've done my due diligence and I'm okay with that. And so the technology, this is gonna sound a little convoluted, but the technology is not responsible for not ripping off images. You, as the human are responsible for making sure you're not putting out things that you won't stand behind, which could be ripped off. So you have to do your due diligence to make sure that's not happening. That sounds good.

Um I think one other upcoming meme. Believe in yourself said, May the fourth be with you. That is another one coming down the pipe for Star Wars fans. Uh yeah, good artist copy, great artist steal. This is true.

Um, the only other one was as far as compliance, I don't know. Is there anything that you're concerned with as far as the slot machining? You know, the fact that you do you make this your process, and it's just you just say, okay, you know, try 10 times and hopefully you get something good, or you know, is that uh that just kind of gives me an instant angst when I look at process like that. Well, again, it goes back to making sure that you are being specific enough in your prompting and giving enough background information so that you're not saying something as simple as generate, you know, a tree with a squirrel and then just sort of like crossing your fingers and hoping for the best. You need to say, I specifically want an oak tree that is, you know, in the late summer sun in fall in New England with a squirrel that's gray, and you know, like whatever the details are, because if you're leaving it up to AI to make those decisions, great, you get what you pay for.

It's gonna look kind of crappy. If you want something more specific, that's where you know, that built into your process. And so again, I keep harping on do your, you know, due diligence, do your requirements ahead of time. This is why. Because if you leave it up to chance and just say, Oh, this is what AI came up with, like it's gonna be crappy.

All right. Yeah, when it comes to leaving it to chance, I think that pretty much wraps up that deck. We've rolled the dice and got some interesting stuff. I mean, we covered a lot. You know, AI image generation has come pretty far since the last time, John.

You and I covered this two years ago, as we've seen. But it still has a ways to go. And, you know, you as the human are still in charge. You're the one who's responsible for giving it clear instruction, giving it background information, and then making sure that what comes out that you're going to put out there in public is something that you're comfortable with, that it's not, you know, uh a ripoff copyright infringement because you don't want to deal with lawyers. That is just not something you want to have to do.

So make sure that part of your process includes human intervention and QA. I like it. That's all I've got. Anything else from you? I think that's it.

I think uh, you know, we have a lot of other stuff we wanted to talk about. Um something we want to talk about maybe uh up in the upcoming weeks is voice generation. I think that we can cover that. Um, but yeah, I think that does it for today. So let's see if I can remember how to close out the show.

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