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title: "So What? Can AI solve this problem?"
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date: 2022-08-26
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# So What? Can AI solve this problem?

## Summary

In today's episode, I explore whether AI is the right solution for common marketing challenges like content creation, hiring, data gaps, Google Analytics 4, and SEO analysis. Here's what this means for you. You'll gain a practical framework for deciding when AI helps and when it hides a deeper people or process problem you need to fix first. You'll also learn these concepts: why AI shines at classification, regression, and generation tasks but falls flat on hiring and platform setup, how privacy regulations are forcing marketers toward AI-driven generalizations instead of individual tracking, and why human oversight must stay in the conductor's seat to keep quality high and bias in check.

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## Key Takeaways

- You'll learn to bucket marketing challenges into classification, regression, or generation tasks so you can decide in seconds whether AI is the right tool.

- You'll discover why AI-generated images and text can replace clip art and generic stock photos at roughly 11 cents an image while keeping copyright clear.

- You'll see why AI cannot fix broken processes, poor data collection, or hiring decisions and why human judgment must stay in charge before anything reaches your audience.

## Full Transcript

Welcome, fellas. Nice to have everybody back. I know. Last week I was like, so quiet in here. Um, this week we're talking about can AI solve this problem.

And so that's what we're gonna be talking about. You know, there are different challenges that marketers run into, a lot of common problems, a lot of specific problems. And one of the questions that we get a lot or that we see discussed a lot is, you know, the use of the appropriate uses of AI, you know, in those situations. So today, you know, um, if you're with us live, feel free to drop your questions in the comments. But basically, we're gonna be covering uh if AI is an appropriate solution for various marketing challenges.

Um so Chris, where would you like to start? Look at this pig. Okay, that was really random. So this is the output from a model called stable diffusion, which is an image generation uh piece of software. What it does is you give it a t a text prompt.

I typed into this thing. A pig standing in a pile of money in a library. Because I was writing a piece earlier on um uh on some politics stuff, and it generated this image. I use this for a blog post. So one of the very interesting problems that AI promises to solve, and and can obviously realistically do it with this with this lovely image, is that for some types of content generation, it's a really good fit for stuff that's you know not super high risk, not super high, you know, value production, where you would probably just have used you know random clip art from the internet or something previously.

Now you can have genuine custom custom-built stuff that is tuned, like setting up this photo shoot would be a really kind of a messy pain, right? To to rent a pig, um, get a whole bunch of money and then you know and rent a library and do this, whereas a machine has just done this for me. And it did it in about six or seven minutes. So one of the I think most interesting applications of AI technology now is in the generation of new content that we can use to augment our existing content marketing capabilities. So to go back to the question, does AI solve this problem?

The problem being solved in this context is you want a specific image that you don't have time to take or generate yourself, and you don't want to run into copyright issues. That's exactly right. The the problem I want to solve is I want some custom artwork for some content that is unique, that is decent quality, that is fast, and that is relatively inexpensive. Okay, so that's one very specific use case. Um, you know, and so you know, sort of the other side of that is why wouldn't someone just use some of the uh you know royalty-free images?

Is it because that you know everybody's using the same image of a laptop with a cup of coffee with a plant? Exactly. And everybody's you know, got that same awkward image of you know, three people all smiling and shaking hands or whatever, or uh stuff like that. There's that there is also the aspect that depending on the company you're dealing with, you don't know if the rights have actually been cleared for that image, right? The only rights that you are guaranteed to be clear on are either ones that have been generated by a machine that's under your control, um, or you have taken the photo or drawn or made the art yourself, right?

If you take the photo from with your camera in your living room, you know without a doubt who owns that copyright. What do you think, John? Yeah, for this kind of stuff, I mean, it definitely is an easy solution. You know, we see a lot of people going to stock art piles, and you know, hopefully this will finally be the death of clip art. We can see the you know, see crappy garbage animations dry up and die up ultimately for good.

So yeah, but Chris, how about though? I mean, how long did it take you to get that running? And I mean, I know you strung it all together, like how long do you think it's gonna take before stuff like this becomes more commercially available? Oh, it's commercially available now. Um OpenAI and their models have uh you can sign up for uh their service and it's you pay like 11 cents an image um to have it generated for you, and you just have to be clear about the prompt.

The version I used is as expected completely unsuitable for 99% of people. Um you have to ask that question. Exactly. So you you spin up your Google Colab instance, you import the notebook, you run all the libraries, provision the instance, set up the GPU, and then you're ready to start typing stuff in. Now, here's the trade-off.

Once Trust Insights pays a nine dollar a month fee for Google Colab for Google Colab Pro, because I use it for a lot of very heavy machine learning processes. Um, including image generation and text and stuff like that. The fee to generate all these images is essentially zero, right? Because we're paying for the instance anyway. Um, and I can use it as many times as I want.

If I was the average marketer who did not have machine learning technical skills, the 11 cents per image from from OpenAI is reasonable. That is a reasonable thing because if you think about it, how much would it cost you to have a designer design a custom image for every blog post, right? That could that's at least a dollar, five or ten or twenty-five dollars, right? Or you end up doing a template like we do with a lot of our stuff, which where we had a professional design to build a template for us, and then we just remix the words on it, but it's essentially the same image over and over and over again. Right.

This allows you some level of customization while still being able to have you know stuff and it it's it's not just pictures of silly pigs, right? This is one I said, I want an image of a seaside town in Denmark. And again, for a piece of blog content for a social media post or something, this is perfectly good enough. I sent this to a friend of mine who lives in Alborg, and she was like, Yeah, I mean, that pretty much looks like two-thirds of Denmark's towns. Um, it is not any one town in general, right?

You will not find this on Google Maps anywhere. But it's close enough that if you were, say, a travel blog company or a travel company in general, this would be an easy way to source images. We have a travel client, and you know, they're constantly running into issues of trying to, you know, images and image sizes and things. Well, just have the machine make it for you in exactly the specifications you want, and then you don't have to worry about oh, we actually put up a 44 megabyte photo that our our steel photographer put up, and now our website's been penalized by Google's core web vitals. Is that can you dial it in by size and resolution too?

Can you specify what you actually want? You can. Oh, that's cool. Okay. So you know, that's one challenge.

I was gonna say, so it sounds like we've covered you know unique images uh for content or unique content, you know, uh visually represented. So that's definitely one challenge where AI is an appropriate use. So we had asked our analytics for marketers community, it's our free slot community, trust insights.ai slash analytics marketers, if you're interested in joining, uh, totally free. We asked them what some of their marketing challenges are, and what we wanted to do is see, you know, is AI uh an appropriate solution. Um, so it's funny.

The very first response that we got was talent. Um, and so I feel like we need to pick it apart a little bit. So the hiring process, AI probably not the best use unless you're calling through resumes. Um, you know, we can talk through sort of the pros and cons of that. Um but AI might be an appropriate solution depending on the job roles that you're trying to fill.

Um, so Chris, I can see you you have a lot of thoughts on this, John. John, I'm sure you have some thoughts too. So, Chris, what do we got? I would say the appropriate use of AI in that context is to improve the productivity and remove tasks from your existing workforce to free people up to work on higher value tasks, right? If you've got like you and I used to work at this PR firm, and there's this one poor sucker who um her job all day long was literally copying and pasting links from Google searches into a spreadsheet.

Like that is clearly a task that you don't even need AI for that. Just because straight up regular procedural programming will solve that problem, but AI will help you do a better job of filtering it, right? That is a task that AI can a hundred percent solve. And then that person there 40 hours a week, you know, struggling not to claw their own eyeballs out, they can be put towards a better task. So you can get more efficiency out of your existing workforce.

On the hiring front, AI machines in general are always trained on existing data, and existing data has biases. Uh Amazon found this out the hard way in 2018 when they uh deployed a service internally to filter through LinkedIn profiles to narrow down hiring pools, and the service immediately stopped recommending profiles of women, just flat out stopped hiring women. Like, well, I can guess which data set you trained your data on, and it took them a little while to find this, enough so that it made the news. Like it got out and it made the news. So anything where you're dealing with sensitive protected information, anything you're dealing with uh protected classes of any kind, age, gender, sexual orientation, veteran status, disability, you want to be real careful about what you're doing with it and and just not turning the data over to machines, because that's that's where very large lawsuits lay.

All right, John, what do you got? Yeah, there's you know, I'm just kind of interested in some of the applications as far as intelligent advertising, you know. I mean stuff that existing advertising teams can use on all the different platforms that they don't have to do any work, it's they're just taking advantage of better placed Facebook ads. Um, we saw a thing recently with Twitter, their ads for trying to drive traffic to apps has become more and more automated. So those are the easy hits that you know I'm watching and you know require no technical knowledge whatsoever on the entire team, never mind you know, just the person doing it.

Um, so that's always the easy lifts that I'm looking for. Um and then, yeah, another one that uh just is on the horizon that I've been watching and waiting for to kind of take a bigger role is all the internationalization stuff, you know, so much of translating websites and content into other languages and other cultures or whatever, having all that stuff automated. I mean, that's uh and to be honest, I haven't even kept up with that field in the past year, so I don't know if that's continuing to move and if there's stuff off the shelf now that's decent, but that's just another one that I have on my wish list. That's very decent. Um, at the Spark conference this year, and when I spoke in Montenegro, uh, the native language there's Serbian.

And one of the things that's great built right into PowerPoint. Like you don't have to use any external tools as long as your PowerPoint's got a microphone and it's got um the internet connection, you can not only have it automatically subtitle your talk as you're speaking on stage, but real-time translate it. So as I was talking in English to this audience, PowerPoint was translating what I was saying into Serbian, into Serbian closed captions right on screen. That level of accessibility and stuff is so cool, and it's like I said, it's built right in. You zero technical skill whatsoever.

You just gotta find the button in PowerPoint to turn that on, and you are good to go in the language of your choosing. All right. So it sounds like the consensus about using AI for finding new talent is, you know, dependent on what kind of talent you're trying to find, what kind of tasks that, you know, John, as you mentioned, advertising, there may be uses of AI that you can implement, which would then mean you wouldn't need to add more of a head count. Um, in terms of hiring the people, probably not the best use of AI. You probably still want that human um sort of judgment, you know, which that comes with its own set of issues, but uh AI being programmed by humans is probably not the best use of AI in that in that context.

The one exception I will say there's we did some work for client a few years ago where we took 17,000 of their phone call interviews uh with the recruiters did, um, had them all transcribed and then did some language processing to see what recruiters and candidates were talking about versus what was the language in their job ads. And what we found was that everything in their job ads was none of what the candidates cared about. Like the candidates were all like, no, we care about you know, starting cents per mile. Am I home on the weekends and all this stuff? And when we gave that feedback back to the client, said, Hey, you need to change your job ads.

You know, you need to talk about these things because that's what all your recruiters and candidates are talking about with you on the phone. They did, and they saw a 40% increase in applications, like literally overnight. So AI can certainly help you focus in on what you're hiring for, but again, sort of the people themselves. Um, I think the conclusion that we're coming to is that AI is not the appropriate solution for the actual hiring process. Um, all right, so the next marketing challenge uh that we were given was gaps in the data.

And so thinking about your you know, sales and marketing funnel from awareness all the way to purchase or enrollment in this case. Um, you know, this is a I think this is a common challenge for a lot of people because their data lives in a bunch of different systems, and depending on how you're collecting the data, you may not be collecting, you know, contact information right from the get go. You may be collecting it, you know, five or six steps down the line. So you then can't connect it back to the original. How did they find out about us?

Um, so lay it on me, Chris. Where does AI fit into this one? In this case, well, there's two things the issue. One is that there's not enough data. So in in this particular instance from our analytics for marketer Slack group, um, the person in question doesn't have enough data to work with yet.

Um, and they need to collect more of that. So that that's one of the major challenges. But one of the the outcomes there that is possible without individual data is a tactic called marketing mix modeling. This is using software, uh machine learning powered software that and we've talked about this a bunch of times on on the show in the past, that it essentially ingests all of the data that you have about your marketing and your outcomes and all the activities you're doing, and then performs essentially a regression analysis that says these are the channels that have the biggest impact on the outcome. It's very similar to attribution analysis, but not quite the same thing because attribution analysis requires some more granular data.

Marketing mix modeling can be done with more summary level data and you can still get valid conclusions out of it. Um in this case, if you have the data and it's even if it's a bunch of heterogeneous systems that are all over the place, you can unify that data into essentially what's just one really big spreadsheet, um, and then build a marketing mix model from that so that you can say, okay, these are the these are all the inputs. Here's the output. Tell me which of these inputs matters the most. So I am going to respectfully disagree with you that uh AI is the appropriate use here.

Uh when I see this problem, I see this as a people and a process problem, not a technology problem. Because what you're describing still doesn't answer the question of where did this person come from? What did their individual journey look like? And so to me, that's a process issue that there weren't clearly defined requirements from the get-go to say this is how we plan to track John Wall from finding out about us to enrolling in our program. AI can't fix that.

AI can't go backward in time and say, okay, let me just go trace this person down all over the internet and figure out everything they've ever done, and then only pull out what's relevant to your specific, you know, product. So I respectfully disagree that AI is the solution here. Um I think it's a people and process problem. Well, the big thing with that is it, you know, it kind of depends on what situation are you in. I mean, obviously, if you want to cure the disease, yeah, you've got to go back and figure out where the people process problem is.

If this is some kind of one-time thing where you're just trying to backfill data, which you know, you screwed something up and somebody threw away, you know, one of the spreadsheets you need to complete the data, then AI is your thing. Um, but um, and and you know, kind of squirrely in the middle of that is using AI for data hygiene. You know, you could come to a point where you say, this is the kind of stuff we're gonna try and get, but most of the time we won't get it. So let's use AI to supplement it. But yeah, always get it from the people if you can first, obviously.

But you know, you may be 98% accurate, but it's still cheaper to get it up front. Yeah. Now, to your point, Katie, getting it from people is going to be vitally important because what we're seeing happen now, and the pace is increasing, is data blindness. So uh CNIL, which is uh the French data protection agency is part of the overall European Commission, uh, essentially just ruled two separate rulings, one of which says you may not use Google Analytics in the EU anymore. Period.

Like saying, shh nope, you're done. Um so there it that is a you know, Google has obviously appealed that. Um, but it is not looking particularly good for for any marketing company collecting data um without you know very, very specific privacy parameters around it. And the second thing that the European Commission itself ruled is that any PII, any personally identifiable information is now reclassed within the entire EU as sensitive protected information, which means that you it has the same protections on it as if it was someone's sexual orientation. So just having someone's IP address or email is treated with the same level of sensitivity as someone's gender or someone's ethnicity, which is a really big deal because as you go up in levels from personally identifiable to sensitive protected to you know protected health information and so on and so forth, the legal repercussions increase and the stringency of your own data protection increases, which means that we have to be looking at AI models to work with less and less data, less and less personally identifiable data, until essentially we're gonna have almost none at all except for the outcomes that we can see and the activities that we've done.

So AI is not the answer to this, you know, as you point out, is not the answer in this situation. But it will very is very quickly going to have to be the default solution in a privacy-friendly environment if you want to avoid the European Commission, you know, kicking you out of Europe. Well, and you know, I don't want to get too off track, but we're also you know talking about the quote unquote cookie less future, where marketers who aren't creating things that are convincing people to give some of that personally identifiable information are basically going to be screwed. Um, you know, so if you're just putting something out there, you know, a you know half written blog post, and you're like, oh, I don't know, I can't figure out why nobody cares about this thing. Why aren't people signing up for it?

Like, that's a you problem. That's not, you know, your audience problem. You have not done your job as a marketer. And again, that's not something that AI is going to fix. AI can't fix your crappy content.

Now, we could go down the road of saying AI can generate content, but Google just rolled out, um, and I apologize if I'm misquoting, Chris. You can feel free to correct me. You know, the uh human, basically what they're saying is like they want human generated content, not AI generated content. And so that further sort of if you're relying on AI to generate your content and you're relying on you know, retargeting pixels and cookies to collect information, like you're screwed. Yeah, the helpful content update John and I were talking about this earlier this week as well.

Google has made it very clear that the content you create should be helpful, it should add value, right? Uh they targeted specific examples like roundup blog posts that don't add anything new, you know, lists of lists and and and stuff like that. Essentially, it's all the mediocre content that a lot of marketers have been cranking out crap for a while. Where this is gonna get very interesting is the language generation models are very sophisticated, extremely heavy, um, very, very powerful. And what they create is getting harder and harder to distinguish from human written content, particularly when we look at things that like human content farms generate.

So if you have a human here that is paid you know minimum wage, they hate their job and and whatever, they just phone it in a face roll on the keyboard Monday through Friday, and that's their level of quality, and you have a machine with a language generation model that creates mediocre content. It's okay, it's mediocre. It's better than the human content. So even though this is the human content, the machine's creating better stuff. And so as these models improve, and the newest model, the Da Vinci model from OpenAI.

I was testing it the other day. It's not bad, right? We've so we've gone from wow, that's terrible. That's word salad machine. Thanks a lot, to mediocre, like, okay, this is the exact same blog post I've seen written on 400 other blogs, to okay, that's reasonable, that's useful, that's helpful, you know.

And we're the bar of excellence for what AI can generate is getting higher and higher, which means that Google itself will have a harder time distinguishing if the content is truly helpful. Does it matter whether a human or machine wrote it? The signals they look at are things like you know, bounce rate and clicks and stuff like that. It's one of the reasons why we all had to install Google Analytics. Um they can see the behaviors of users, and if users are interacting with AI generated content at this with the same performance metrics or better performance metrics than humans ones do are, they're gonna have a very, very hard time detecting it.

So the I would say the moral of the story there is yes, you your content has to be helpful, content has to be good. Whether a machine generates or a human generates, or a machine does the first draft and a human polishes it, or whatever the case may be, ultimately you have to produce quality, which goes back to what you were saying earlier, Katie, which is you've got to give people a reason to to at least click, right? You see the a picture of a pig standing on money. Okay, okay? A machine generated that, but that's still mildly amusing.

That might be enough to get the click, even if it's completely machine generated. What do you think, John? Yeah, it's um, you know, there's no saving crappy content. I think that's the the biggest uh point of all that. And yeah, you can come up with all these tools and have marginal generated copy, and it is good for certain situations if you're just trying to get tonnage of reporting stuff out there.

And one thing we had talked about earlier this week, there's definitely gonna be a full-on war over product reviews, you know, because this kind of technology can be used to generate product reviews. So you can get that, you know, 2004 or five star reviews that you're looking for. Um, but yeah, none of it is a substitution for you know, really knowing what you're doing and having some having the pillar content be stuff that's remarkable and unique because it's uh, you know, and there's gonna be way too much, you know, eight out of ten content out there. Um so we actually got a comment, which reinforces what we're saying. So Scott Sweeney over from LinkedIn said AI content created by natural language generation is best one designed and edited with humans, which is absolutely correct.

Um, the way that I look at systems that generate content for you, there still needs to be that human intervention. It's the same thing with creating any kind of AI. The humans need to decide what it's gonna do. The humans need to decide whether or not it's acceptable, and the humans need to be the ones to put the final polish on. It's the same thing with your image, Chris.

You, the human, said, this is the image that I specifically want. Now, I'm guessing this is just a wild guess, but I'm guessing that there are going to be systems that will read your content and decide what kind of an image is appropriate. And that's fine. But without that human QA, you may end up with really bonkers images that have nothing to do because AI won't be able to detect nuance and sarcasm and those kinds of things. And you may end up with images that are wildly inappropriate for what you were trying to do.

And so if you aren't then as a human QAing it, then you're still right back where you started where you're putting out crappy content. Exactly. No, you're 100% right. And believe me, in the first few trial runs of the new um software, I was like, whoa, that's interesting. Because when you download the version to run for collab on itself, it doesn't have any of the safeties that are built into the online version.

So you're like, whoa, that's that's exciting. Um, but here's another example of this. So this is um the the DaVinci model, Katie, this is your cold open from the newsletter yesterday. I just put it in here, and I told the this uh model, do a TLDR, write a quick summary. And you know, that's essentially what just did there.

It says, okay, if I summarize this entire post, it comes down to most problems start with people. So if you're having trouble with something, start with who made it, right? Um, you didn't say those exact words, but that is essentially what it distills down to. That's pretty good. You know, from a from a content perspective, you know, one of the things that we've been talking about with Trust Insights is how do we, you know, create those featured snippets uh you know for our blog posts that go into a little SEO tool on our site.

That's not a bad little summary, right? That could that could go in there. So there's all these opportunities. So what's interesting is I had a sentence that was essentially that in the post. And so it didn't, I guess, and that's where I'm like, well, it didn't generate anything new, it didn't summarize it, it.

It literally just grabbed a sentence from the post itself. It wasn't that exact sentence, but it was basically that. Yep. So here's uh a different uh poll from it. Yeah, it's doing it's just doing uh abstract of summarization.

It's attempting to boil it down to just a couple of sentences. Um I think you know, to Scott's point and and to what you're saying, the human is the conductor of the orchestra now, right? So we how all these tools can do these things, but they don't do it by themselves, and nor do you want them to. You want instead for us to be guiding them. Well, you know, I can see how this summarization tool is actually going to be pretty helpful because if you write a post and then you ask for that summary from AI, if AI can't figure out what the heck this post is about, humans probably can't figure out what the heck this post is about, too.

So I can see it as a really good QA, part of your QA process. Um for writing your content, which goes back to John's point, is like you can't fix crappy content, like you have to do the work, you can't get by with just sort of the bare minimum. And so using AI to support but not replace, I think is what we're all saying. A hundred things with that though, that I draw is you know, anything where if it's not your algorithm, you want to check the stuff before it goes out the door because you know you have no idea what kind of bias or weirdness is in there if if you didn't write it. So human touch is critical before it goes out the door.

Yeah, for all you know, there's somewhere along the line some angry engineer who knew nobody would be checking the code and said, you know, anytime someone says marketing, replace it with a not safe for work word. And because you're just using, you know, whatever you bought out of the box, you have no way to fix it. So definitely uh buyer beware. Um, all right. So we've covered, well, we kind of got a little bit off topic, but basically, the question that we were covering was, you know, following someone through their user journey.

Um, AI can fix some of that as privacy gets more strict. You'll be able to do some generalizations about your marketing mix, but following one specific individual through their journey is going to get harder and harder and harder unless you are creating things that are compelling enough that someone says, Yes, you can have all you want to know about me because you have created something that I cannot live without. Um, so the next marketing challenge is definitely an interesting one. Um, one of our community members said, Google Analytics 4. Everything about it is a challenge.

And I don't disagree with that. Uh Google, um, in case you missed it for some reason, Google uh announced earlier this year that Google Analytics 4 was going to become the standard piece of software as of July 1st, 2023. So if you have not installed it yet, you are behind. You will not have a full year's worth of data. Go back to any of our old shows.

You can find out where we rant and rave about you know, Google Analytics 4 versus user universal Analytics. You can take our Google Analytics 4 course, where we help you solve all of these problems. Do it sooner rather than later. Again, times of the essence. So all of that being said, artificial intelligence.

Does that help with Google Analytics for being a pain in the butt? Chris, you're muted. It doesn't help with being a pain in the butt, but does help with processing the data that Google Analytics gives us. Remember that there's a this is a big architecture change. Google Analytics used to be sort of a Swiss Army knife.

Collect your data, analyze it, report on it. And it does only one of those things now. It's an analysis tool. It's also a really, really good engine for processing data, but a lot of the things that we used to value about it, like page value, gone, right? It's not in there anymore.

So you have to process it yourself. One of the things I was working on last week that finally got working after beating my head against the wall for a couple months on it, is we would do this thing called um most valuable pages, uh, which with the old universal analytics was a relatively straightforward thing. What pages you know help nudge people towards conversion? And the Google Analytics 3 Universal Analytics model data model was really good at that. All of the data that we relied on is no longer there in those formats in Google Analytics for so we had to totally re-engineer the thing, but we finally got it working.

Unfortunately, it requires a much more advanced machine learning model to process it, and it takes a lot longer too. But machine learning can absolutely take data out of Google Analytics 4 and slice it and dice it until you get to a point where, yeah, now we can have something we can take action on. So from the Trust Insights website, uh, I said, run this classification model. Tell me which pages nudge people towards conversion. Uh, and you know, we basically compare user journeys where people did convert versus user journeys where people didn't convert and look at the pages that they did in each one and say, okay, what's the difference?

And so for our website for the last, I think this is the last 90 days. Um, the LinkedIn job hunting uh webinar was a big one. The five ways AI's changing uh marketing keynote, the fundamentals of marketing analytics. Some of the pages that um didn't uh do as much, like the the homepage of the podcast didn't really do as much. So from a use case perspective, there are absolutely ways that Google Analytics for data can be used.

Um AI can be used on this data to make it useful, uh, because that's one of the biggest handicaps with GA4 is that the analysis that's in the product doesn't answer questions that your average marketer's user story wants them to answer. Which I think is valid, but I do think that applying AI is almost getting ahead of this the problem, which is the whole interface and experience with Google Analytics 4 is changed, and they've pulled apart the products to be tag manager, Google Analytics, Data Studio, et cetera, et cetera. And so AI can't fix that necessarily. AI won't be able to set up your system exactly the way you need it to be set up with all of the different toggles and settings and everything. So to get to the point where you can use AI to analyze the data is like step five.

Step one is you first have to set up the different systems. So AI can't fix that. That's still a people and process problem. Exactly. Uh and and it's a people and process problem, it's also platform problem in that Google has made this platform change for their benefit and not ours.

And because we're not paying for it, we don't really get a vote into um into making any changes to it. We just kind of have to live with it or switch up and change to a different product. So Google Analytics 4, that's a people and process problem. Uh you can apply AI once you have it set up and you're collecting data, but not until. John, as we're starting to wrap up, what are some of the other marketing challenges you see as you're talking to people in your network, as you're talking to prospects that you know, we're not sure where AI quite fits in.

Yeah, I think on the SEO front, there's a bunch of places where we've looked at stuff, whether it's analyzing topics to understand who the leader in the space is, who you should be emulating, trying to you know take back ground that you've lost and what content of yours is doing well. A lot of that kind of stuff is well suited to machine learning analysis because you you know, just looking at your own traffic is not enough. You need to have a rough idea of how the competition's doing and how topics that aren't on your keyword list or that you're not getting traffic for are working. So um, yeah, that's a lot of the uh you know low-hanging fruit or whatever business analogy you want to use. But if you want to get in and you generate some data and make some things happen, I think that's the uh the best place to start for that kind of stuff.

And you know, of course, we do that for clients as far as traffic analysis and helping them cut do content calendaring, you know, figure out not only what to talk about, but when's the best time to talk about it? You know, you don't want to be creating content um about you know getting ready for the beach in november you you want to time that stuff for April May June and that there's there are trends and things to follow for virtually every kind of topic like that so yeah AI spice squish mallows no pumpkin spice for everyone uh so ai is a definitely a good use case for things like SEO analyzing your SEO um and again so I feel like we keep circling back to content being the thing that kind of ties all of these you know questions together these challenges um which is true because content comes in a lot of different forms content you know video audio written you know images whatever AI can do a lot of that however you still need human intervention in order to ensure that the content is good quality that the content aligns with you know what you want it to do what your brand wants to do uh what your audience wants to see so AI is at least from where I sit AI shouldn't be front and center AI is a supporting role AI is a you know secondary character because it's not going to fix all of these problems for you if you don't have your people process and platform squared away first. Yeah it's just an appliance um you still need a chef you still need ingredients you still need a recipe, those things don't change. It's the appliances have gotten better. AI is good at three things, right?

Classification, aka I've got a bunch of stuff. Help it make make sense of it. Regression, which is I've got what a set of numbers, what numbers are like it, and generation. Hey, make this thing right those are the three fundamental tasks that AI is as really good at. So as we look at our marketing, we have to say, is this a regression problem, a classification problem?

Is it a generation problem? Or if it's none of those, then that's probably not a good use case for AI, right? Hiring people is not one of those three problems, right? Um, when you look at configuring Google Analytics 4, it's not one of those three problems. Creating content, it is a content calendar, forecasting, absolutely.

Identifying trends in social media, yes, that's regression. What number is like this number? So if we think about our our problems as one of those three categories, we can very quickly bucket and say, yes, there's a there's a potential for AI to help here, or no, it's it's it's not the right tool. It's right, and you're you're making stake and all you and you've pulled out the blender. Put that away, that's not what it's for.

Yeah, that just sounds gross, quite honestly. Um, you know, I don't know if anyone else caught it, but John, I did see your camera glitch for a hot second, so I'm pretty sure that we just exposed that John is in fact an AI avatar. And so instead of actually hiring John Wall, we created an AI avatar of John Wall so that John Wall wouldn't have to sit in these live streams. Max Headroom 3.0. That's one what I'm doing here.

There's a throwback. Um it's funny because that's what I was thinking of when I saw it too. So I think we're all aligned. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Any final thoughts on is AI can AI fix this problem?

John? There's definitely applications. Uh, you know, don't go out and just buy the first thing that says AI on it. Oh, that's a bad idea. Chris.

No, it that is a hundred percent true. Understand the kind of problem that you're you're facing first. Um, and then you can make those determinations really really quickly, whether it's the right tool or not. But understand that the technology is changing so fast and the scope of what it can do is increasing so quickly that you should reevaluate that list of problems maybe once a quarter and say, oh, well, this is a problem that AI now can solve. I think that makes sense.

I would add to that, you know. Um, you know, AI it's not gonna fix a broken process. It's not gonna fix non-existent process, it's not gonna fix, you know, your inability to collect the right data. So these things you all have to have that human intervention first. People define what AI is gonna do, not the other way around.

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