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title: "So What? Content Curation for your Personal Brand"
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date: 2020-10-30
url: https://www.christopherspenn.com/2020/10/so-what-content-curation-for-your-personal-brand/
categories:
  - "analytics"
  - "Content"
  - "Marketing automation"
  - "Personal branding"
  - "Social media"
  - "Videos"
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# So What? Content Curation for your Personal Brand

## Summary

In today's episode, I walk through two methods for curating content to build your personal brand network and feed traffic between your website, newsletter, and social channels. Here's what this means for you. You pick up free automation workflows that cut social scheduling from daily drudgery to a weekly hour or two. You'll also learn these concepts: how Pocket and IFTTT push saved articles plus TalkWalker mentions into a Google Sheet, why your own link shortener with UTM tags keeps your analytics intact when Facebook strips parameters, and how to A/B test posting times per channel to match each audience's real activity patterns.

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## Key Takeaways

- You'll learn how to wire Pocket and TalkWalker alerts through IFTTT into a Google Sheet so you automate content discovery and brand monitoring in one place

- You'll discover how a self-hosted link shortener with UTM tags preserves your tracking data when social platforms strip parameters from shared links

- You'll see how to run A/B tests on posting schedules per channel using Agora Pulse engagement data so you match each audience's real activity windows

## Full Transcript

Well, hi, welcome to So What, the Marketing Analytics and Insights Live Show of Contrast Insights. I am Katie, joined by Chris and John. We are still talking about personal branding. So we started with helping set up a basic website, get some plugins, set up some tracking. Then we moved on to uh setting up an simple email newsletter so that you can reach out to people, let them know what you're working on.

But now we're moving on to content curation because, well, you need to build a network of people and you need to have some place to tell people to let people know that you have a newsletter. So you need to have followers. So that's what we're gonna focus on today. So Chris, content curation. Take it away.

All right. You need content, you need stuff to share. And it has been uh practice uh well defined in the marketing and PR industry for what, last 15 years that uh you should be sharing stuff, sharing stuff that demonstrates that you have a basic understanding of your industry, uh the notable people and publications that are part of it, and uh ideally sharing a blend, you know, sixty, 70, seventy, thirty other people's stuff that provides value to the people who do follow along. Um, and uh, and then obviously you earn the right over time to to share your own stuff. So, one of the challenges that people face with content curation is that it takes uh a lot of time, and it's not always something that people are willing to make time for.

So, what we want to do today is do show two different ways to do content curation that can help accelerate the process a little bit, and then uh you know, talk through some of the mechanisms for that. Uh, for this, you're gonna need uh at least four different yeah, four different free services. Um, and those free services are uh if this then that, which you can find at ift.com. We'll go ahead and put this in the screen share mode. Um, this is a service that essentially takes other services and kind of glues them together.

So that's gonna be one of the things you're gonna want to have. The second thing you're gonna want to have for just overall monitoring of your personal brand. We talked about this uh two episodes ago, but it's it we're gonna it's gonna come back here is uh Talk Walker's free uh alerts service. This is gonna be useful for keeping an eye on when people are talking about you so that you know if something has uh happened that's relevant. You're gonna want the free uh pocket application from getpocket.com that allows you to tag and store uh and also explore and learn uh and and find content from different sources.

And of course, you're probably gonna want uh you will want Google Sheets, right? Which is uh the free soft spreadsheet software from Google. Uh, one optional additional piece for the more advanced version is Google Analytics, and we'll get to that in a minute. So, with content curation, first thing we gotta do is we gotta get content. We gotta get stuff from somewhere, and that's where applications like Pocket really come in handy, where uh there are things that like you know, explore and learn, discover.

Uh let's go ahead and just poke around in here. So, Chris, while you're pulling that up, um, is Pocket the only type of free service, or are there others? Because I know I used to use Feedly, for example. Yep, there's Feedly. There are there's so many.

There's like Vienna, um, Flipbook or no Flipboard. Flipboard board is is out there. Uh, and there's a ton of these different services. The one thing that you'll want to do is you'll want to check to see if it is supported by if this then that, at least for this example that we're gonna be doing today. Um, so let's go ahead and actually take a quick look into the catalog to see what services are supported.

And you can see there's a crazy large number. So let's see if Flipboard is supported. Uh it is not. Uh, so that would not be a go. Feedly is in there.

There's uh blog feeds that you would definitely want to have in there. And then uh there are, and I know Pocket is in here. So um for this example, you want to use something that's supported by if this then that. So with Pocket, it's a question of going through and finding stuff that might be of interest to not only uh your audience, but to you as well. One of the rules of content, uh, we call it the 3L rule is uh if you didn't laugh, if you didn't love it so much that you're talking about it to your significant other, even when they asked you not to, uh, or you didn't learn something, then there's a good chance that your audience isn't going to either.

And so when we look at all the different things in here, uh, we see plenty of things that you know would be worth taking a look at. Part of content curation is just figuring out you know how stuff is gonna you know resonate with your audience, and just looking through things that you might be interested in. Um, here the history and psychology of clowns being scary. Uh, that one might be fun. Terrifying.

And of course, what you see is that Pocket begins to store these things and then provides you to them. Uh and there's a mobile app for it as well that allows you to read them later as you can go through and take a look and see um what's of interest. So that's the first part. We're gonna we're gonna bring in content that's worth sharing through here. Second thing we're gonna do is we wanna again make sure that if somebody is mentioning us, uh is sharing our content, is site citing us, we want to promote them, right?

We want to give them some some limelight of our own if we have it. Uh and that's where something like TalkWalker comes in handy. So let's go ahead and put in trust insights here, and I'll go ahead and sign in. I'm gonna do as it happens, all results agree to the terms conditions, and create our alert. Okay, we have to go in and authorize our email to say that this is actually real and it's not just a spam bot.

And I appreciate you not showing your email inbox, not for proprietary reasons, but more for the scary OCDness that I would get by looking at your email inbox. Yeah, my email inbox is not the prettiest thing in the world. Um it really isn't. So let's go ahead now and set up password here. Well, that's debatable.

No, captcha. I love CAPTCHAS. Okay. Now, as we saw, um, this is gonna send us email. I don't personally want more email, it's not something that's like super exciting to me.

So I'm gonna turn email delivery off. And what you'll see down here is this RSS feed. This is really handy where this can actually you know uh bring in uh RSS uh posts as it comes in and in and put it in, send it somewhere. So let's do this first exploration. I'm gonna take copy this RSS feed.

Go to the if this then that and we saw RSS is built in right here. I'm gonna say I want a new feed item. I'm gonna connect it, and I'm gonna put in that talk walker feed. That's my first trigger. Next, I want to send this to a Google Sheet.

I've got one pre-made here called example, not super exciting. Um I'm gonna add a row to the spreadsheet. And with the spreadsheet name has to be an exact match. I'm gonna create this action. And what this is gonna do is it's gonna take the alerts that come out of TalkWalker, and it's gonna put them in as rows in this spreadsheet.

Okay, I'm gonna finish that up, and now that's running. So we're gonna have in a spreadsheet, and by the way, we can't do this super live because if this then that only runs like every six hours, so you have to come back and do this later. But it will populate just those columns that we were just talking about. So we've got our mentions wired up into a spreadsheet. Now, the next thing we want to do is repeat the process with pocket.

So we've explored some content. Um, let's check for things like see if there's any good articles. So nothing in my list. Let's do explore. You know, what I like about this, especially with the mentions, is it cuts down on the errors for uh copy and paste.

So if you have other people on your team that you said, I need you to go find all of the mentions of our company, you know, the first thing they probably do is start Googling for you know all the mentions, and that can get unwieldy, you can get duplicates, you can have copy and paste issues, and this takes a lot of that headache out of it. So I think that that in and of itself is a useful tool. Definitely, definitely. So as you saw, we've added a bunch of new articles here. Now we're going to go back into our if this then that we're gonna create ourselves a new applet.

And we're gonna repeat the same process we just did, uh except instead of an RSS feed, we're gonna use our pocket feed. And every time I put a new item into my pocket, I again want to wire it back up to that Google Sheet. Now I'm assuming that people use services like Feedly or Pocket to post directly to their social feeds when they you know like something or tag something or want to share something. So they probably skip this step and then they probably separately are looking for mentions on themselves to be able to share. And what you're doing is saying actually you can do it all at once in one place.

Yes, that's right. And there's two reasons for that. First, um with social mentions, unless you have a really, really unique name that literally nobody else uses except you, like Froat Wobbler Mangrove, for example, the old Monty Python joke. Um, there's a good chance you're gonna get a lot of garbage in your in your social monitoring, right? I compete with a uh an epidemiologist, I compete with a deceased actor, um, I compete with uh at least one of us uh you know um uh university president, uh John competes with a basketball player.

So if you just wire something straight into your social feed, you are risking throwing an awful lot of junk in there. And the second thing we is that with social scheduling services, you don't want to do this stuff one by one. It's it's just terrible. So we're gonna talk about that. But so now we've gotten these two um services wired up to a Google sheet.

And in this Google sheet, um, again, it's not something we can show live, but it would have populated with you know the feed, the item, the title, the description, the URL. What we want to do from there is export this um as a CSV file, right? So anytime we're working with uh social media services, um, we want to look at our data, delete the stuff that's not relevant. Again, those random mentions that don't make sense, or spam bots or whatever. And then from there, we're gonna go into a service and you know, take your the social scheduling service of your choice.

We uh use and recommend uh a service called Agora Pulse. Uh, if you want to learn more about it, uh, we have a link right here. Um, and what you can do is bulk publishing. So we would take that CSV file that we just made from our Google Sheet, go into publishing here, and go under do bulk publishing, and I can import my CSV file, all the stuff, and as long as I've got a queue that's set up with the appropriate times, I can now queue up, you know, 20, 30, 40 posts all at the same time. I've gone through and edited them in the spreadsheet and just load them in here and get a chance to see you know to really cut down on the amount of time it takes to do some social scheduling.

So that's the I would call it the good enough way for most people to be able to assemble a lot of content that's you useful and worth reading and gives you the opportunity to uh to take care of your social scheduling maybe an hour or two a week instead of I've seen people at PR agencies take eight hours a week to to do social scheduling, which is just a huge time killer. So I want to share a quick uh anecdote about my learnings with Agora Pulse and social scheduling. So up until recently, I was using a different social scheduling service, which was fine, it was good enough, but I didn't have access to the company uh accounts through that social scheduling service. It was only for my personal social accounts. And so I was going to two different places, primarily because I was stubborn and just I liked the way I was doing it before, and realized I was creating more work for myself because I wasn't logging into Agora Pulse.

I was one by one every single day scheduling updates and posts for on behalf of the company until finally I was like, okay, this is dumb. I have, you know, 600 Asana tasks that are literally day by day. There's gotta be a better way to do this. And so once I logged into Agora Pulse, poked around for a little bit and figured it out, I cut down the amount of time that I was spending doing that from literally, you know, half an hour every single day to half an hour one day a week. Uh, because I already had everything all drafted out, and it was, I mean, I'm telling you, it was a game changer.

And why did it take me so long? Because I stood my own way. So that's the only reason. It's not because the system was difficult to use. It's actually very, very intuitive and easy.

Yep. So if you have the technical capacity to do so, the way that we approach social scheduling for a lot of our companies new stuff is to take well-known blogs in our industry and you know, well-known publications in general, and pull in all the data about them and analyze them one at a time in a little machines do it. We don't do it for a lot of our keywords and topics and phrases, and then use that database to essentially publish out the content. So I'll show you a quick example of this. This is our software that we built in-house for doing this.

And you know, not to you know be obnoxious about it, it's just we did this because we didn't want to spend time doing this all the time. So we load up our stuff, and then we see all the different variables that we can pull in, all the different scores, the actual text of all these posts, and it's it works out to about I think 1500 uh or so blog posts a day. Uh it's it's not a small amount of stuff, but in doing this, uh, one of the things that we use is we use our own link shortener. Uh, and there's a huge reason for doing that that has to do with your personal brand. And that is if you're using a link shortener that can talk to Google Analytics, you can get a better sense of what are the things that people interact with that you're sharing that provides value to your audience.

You know, hey, share more of this stuff, or hey, share less of this stuff because this isn't the thing. Um, the service that we use for that is a free open source tool. Uh, it is called Yorls. I it's a silly name. Um, and again, if you have the technical capacity to do so, install this on your own server.

There's a plugin for Google Analytics that allows you to track any link click that's sent through it, which is super valuable because again, if we are going to uh places, you know, for example, like Pocket, and we're getting all these different articles. If we use our own link shortener, then we can tell how many clicks we are sending to those places. Now, if you're working for a company and you're doing stuff to build your personal brand, but on behalf of the company and you're sharing your company's content, wouldn't you like to know how much of a contribution you are making to the company's traffic goals? If you have a business partnership, you know, for example, we're an IBM business partner. One of the things that I have to do every month is report to IBM, hey, here's how much traffic we sent you, because there's a good chance the program that we're in does not even talk to the web team, uh, much less have access to their analytics.

So we provide that reporting on their behalf. Um, so using again using these free services, the the link shorteners, A makes your stuff look nicer because all of our stuff comes from trustinsights.news, and B gives you analytics. So let's take a look at what that looks like. Um, Chris, before we move on from that, one of the questions that we got uh from Brett was can't you just use UTM parameters? And you can you want to use the UTM parameters first on the on the URL that you're sharing, and then you want to shorten the link.

The reason for that, and Chris can probably get more technical, is that a lot of the services, Facebook especially, will strip out the uh UTM parameters that you put in. Therefore, all that work that you did to tag all of the content correctly goes away. So by using uh bit.ly or creating your own URL shorteners or any other service, you're protecting those UTM parameters when you're sharing it so that services like Facebook and other uh social services won't strip out your tracking. Exactly. Now, here's the other thing with UTM parameters, Brett.

They only work if you have access to the Google Analytics account, right? So if you send a naked link, if you send a link to, say, you know, uh marketing over coffee.com with UTM parameters, and you don't have access to marketing over coffee's Google Analytics, you can't see it, right? You don't know what's happened. Now it's I I will thank you in advance if you are sending traffic to marketing over coffee.com because that's our site. Um, and we can see you, but you can't see you.

You can't see what you've done. When you use a link shorten tied into a Google Analytics with its measurement protocol, it doesn't matter what site you're sending traffic to, you can see it. So let's take a look. In Google Analytics in our link shortener, I'm gonna go to go to site content, but go to all pages. And Chris, just to clarify, when you set up our own link shortener service, you also set up a view in our Google Analytics account just specifically to look at those shortened links.

Exactly. Okay, let's go to page title because the short codes are not super helpful. And because of the way the service works, um, it brings in the redirecting page in as a page title. So now I can see in the last seven days, these are the top 10 links that we've shared that got the clicks, right? So we he we have you know some of some of my stuff.

We have uh Institute for Public Relations, Copy Blogger, EMRSS, Acoustic, Digiday, Martech Zone. It's got a big selection here. But you know what's funny? We share stuff from you know places like uh social media examiner, um, search engine land, uh, marketing land, uh, we share stuff from you know all sorts of places. And these are the things that this week people are like, yep, those are the things I want to read about.

This means that if we share stuff uh using social data, we can then use this to understand who's our who is our audience, right? Who what are they interested in? I don't have to know every single thing about you to know what it is you're clicking on, right? Uh, we use this exact same link shortening technique in our trust insights newsletter. Um, and the reason for doing that is again we can track to see what's the newsletter is doing um and make sure that we're delivering content you care about.

If we share some links, and then you know, a week or a month later, we look in the data here and we go, wow, nobody liked these articles that we've been sharing. We know that we're not serving you the best. So when we're when it comes to talking about um what should we be doing to build our personal brand, we want to know. We want to know what people care about. So the beginner's method, which we talked about, which is using pocket and using if this then that will get you 70 or 80% of the way there, especially if you're clever and you have the ability, you know how to tie in uh link shorteners into a Google sheet.

Um, you can then do you know 90, 95%. And then the more advanced version is running that own link shortening service uh and tying that into a uh back end database that allows you to to really process the data in advance, score it, make sure it's completely relevant to your audience, and then track to see what it is that is of interest to your audience. So, Chris, we have another question about uh link shorteners, more of a comment, really, uh, from Margarita. She's saying that she tried to push URL shorteners, but the external marketing agency said it would hurt the campaign's performance on quality scores on Facebook. What are your thoughts on that?

My thoughts are I'd like to see a citation from that agency about where they've got that. Show me the test. Show me the A B. And John is exactly right there, which is do an A B test. Run half, you know, do a campaign where half of it's in one condition, half it's in the other condition, and look at the results and use the exact same copy, exact same stuff, just have one with the shortener and one without.

And you'll find out very quickly whether or not that's true. In our experience, we've not seen that. In our experience, we've seen plenty of other things will hurt your campaigns, like terrible images, terrible copy, and terrible offers that nobody wants to any part of. Um, those typically matter more, but absolutely run an A-B test. I think that is the most impactful thing you can do, especially if the research that said agency is citing is older than March of this year.

And again, we have said this on our podcast, on our newsletter, and everything. The world has changed. The behavior of the consumer of the business person, whatever is that was before the pandemic is not the same as that person now. So you need to test everything. Um, we also have a comment from Brian uh asking, how do we automate the collection of social metrics?

Well, there's so many ways you can do this. Um one of the easiest ways that we've had really good success with with for just basic dashboards. Um there's a package that we use called Supermetrics for Data Studio. And if you want to check it out, go to trustinsights.ai/slash supermetrics. Full disclosure, by the way, for the FCC, these are all affiliate links.

If you buy something from them, there's a we get a very small amount of money. Well, and at that point, uh we're covering dashboards uh in next week's live stream. So please tune in and we will definitely dig into more of that uh next week. Yeah. So supermetrics is a good way of pulling it in just to the dashboard itself uh if you want to do it that way.

However, if um you want like the data in for data analysis, you're gonna need to connect to the social APIs themselves. So you'll need to have a coder on hand who can address those APIs and extract the data from them. Um it's a little bit more work that way, but you then get to run you know pretty advanced um uh testing and analysis on those data points to see like what are the things that that um you can do with that data. And especially when you want to bring in and blend data sources together, um there's a lot you can do with that raw data, but it has to come in from the APIs. Um if you go to uh any of the social networks, uh, for example, you go to uh developers.com, uh they provide you or your development team ample information as to what's supported, what's not, and things like that.

And by the way, um all the developer stuff for the most part is free. So as long as you've got the technical skill, you can bring in that data and not need to pay you know some other third-party service, you know, $300 a month just to bring in the exact same data that you could go get for yourself. Um let's talk about one other thing. Um for the sharing of content, some tools have pretty good analytics. Um things you're gonna want to think about is what when you're gonna roll this kind of thing out.

Um I'm gonna look here in Agora Pulse and we're looking at the audience. You can see engagement stuff. But one of the useful things is that they do provide you sort of a here's when your users or your audience uh tends to be active. Let's go ahead and go into my Twitter account here. And you can see there's you know some decent spots of activity based on the data coming in.

Here's the catch. This is only based on your data. So if you are posting at 9 a.m. every day on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, the most active times are gonna be 9 a.m., Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, right? It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So part of your your curation strategy when it comes to sharing is to set up queuing times that are around the clock. You know, uh, I recommend if you're starting out and you've got the content because you've been using pocket and stuff, um, that you start out with every three hours on the dot. You know, so you're sharing essentially eight times a day. You should be able to find enough content with services like Pocket and stuff like that to load that those bins and then do this for at least a week, ideally a month, just you know, sharing, and then you can look and hear and see, okay, when are people most active? And after that testing period, then you can start to rearrange your your queue times and say, like, okay, I have you know, my normal queue time on a Wednesday is Wednesday at 9 a.m.

But actually Wednesday at 10 a.m. is when you know there's there seems to be more activity on that day. So I'm gonna move my queue time to fit the times when people are most active. And then once a quarter, maybe turn off your production queue, turn back on your testing queue, go around you know every three hours again and retest to make sure that you that your audience has not changed. Um after any kind of significant event, say like a pandemic, retest so that um you're constantly updating your data and you constantly know when the best times are.

And the catch with this is and it's what's really nice about this in a in Agora Pulse is it's different per channel, right? It is different based on on where you're sharing stuff. And obviously, some networks are not available, but you know, when I look uh here for in the trust insights one, we see that the the days and times are different, right? That that hotspot Wednesday morning in my account is not here for the company account, right? So there's they're different audiences, so it's important to make sure that you're doing it for each channel and then having cues in your social scheduling tool that are set for each audience for the way they behave.

So don't try and do it all in one shot. You know, this is the best time for everybody because it's clearly not. One of the most common questions that we hear is how do I determine the best times to post on social media? So this is a really great way to approach it. Um, but if you're just starting out, but you also have Google Analytics data in a different uh episode of this uh live stream, we will be covering how to use your own Google Analytics data to set up a dashboard to determine best times to post on social media again, using your own data.

Um, so there are a couple of different ways to figure this out, but if you are using a service such as Agora Pulse, then this is absolutely a report that you should be using because my network looks different from Chris's, looks different from John's, looks different from even the company, even though we all feed into that. And so you definitely don't want to just do, you know, a direct copy paste of the exact schedule across the board. Yep. Other thing I would suggest doing, um, and this goes back to Brett's question, is in the Google Analytics setup, make sure that you're not only doing source medium tagging, but do campaign tagging as well. Um, you know, have each social channel um have its own campaigns and stuff and set out and differentiate, especially if you're doing it for yourself and your company.

Uh, you want different tags because what you can do in obviously in Google Analytics is you can then create a segment in universal analytics um for just your stuff. So I do this and my campaign, uh let's see. This is where we need the radio transition effects. As we're all just watching exactly. Watch the key.

Oh, wait, I got I have to go back and look. Um but if you have your own segments, your own UTM campaign segments, then you can slice and dice all of your social shortening stuff into the different pieces based on those campaigns. So if you you could set this up, for example, for yourself and say five of your friends, because your friends are just as nerdy as you are. Um, you could then look at what your stuff, what the most clicked on stuff is for your you, and then what your friends get clicks on as well. Because again, different audiences, or even if you're doing um as we do, you're using the same tool for both social media and for email.

I want to see maybe my email clicks behave differently than my than my social media clicks and get a sense that are those audiences different. So uh to summarize, content curation is how you prove your expertise, right? Um prove that you're you're dialed into your industry. The basic way to do it is to use a service like Pocket and something like if this then that to marry a bunch of different uh data sources together and send them to some kind of a database. In this case, uh from our example, a Google Sheet.

Once you've got that, you edit that and then you load it to social scheduling tool and keeps things you know relatively clean. If you're more advanced, you have a backend database of some kind, which does exactly the same thing but at a much larger scale and gets all your content ready. And then based on that, and if you have the technology available, you use a service like Google Analytics to track what the most shared stuff is, so that you're continuing to share stuff that your audience wants. And you can look at uh over time at what the trends are uh in the topics that people are most interested in. If you got questions, uh now would be the time.

But if you don't have questions uh right now, but you're you know, you disconnect from the live stream and five minutes later, uh you're like, I don't remember. I remember a question I was going to ask. Come on over to the Analytics for Marketers Slack, uh, go to uh trustInsights.ai slash analytics for marketers, and you can join 1,400 other uh folks who are analytically minded. Um any parting words, Katie and John? Yeah, I just want to sort of pull it all together, the reason why we've been doing all of these different personal branding episodes.

And so it's great to have a website, it's great to have a newsletter. But if you don't have a network, if you don't have followers, then you're just sort of speaking out into the void. And so one of the goals of this content curation is to build up a network of people who see the things that you post on social media. One to demonstrate your authority, but also to let them know hey, I have a website, I have a newsletter. Do you want to sign up for it?

So it's this constant cycle of each of the digital channels feeding each other. And so that is part of that personal branding journey. Is if you don't have a place to let people know, hey, I have a newsletter, then the what's the point of having a newsletter? So promoting that on your social channels and then promoting your social channels within the newsletter once you get subscribers, and that becomes that cyclical feed of each other. Yep.

Uh Donna asked for if you don't have the back end database. The first part of today's episode, I think you came in late, um, covers the basic setup for without using a database. All right. If there are no other questions, let's go ahead and roll on out of here. Thanks for watching today.

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