How to set your speaking fee

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Me speaking at UoTOne of the questions I’m asked most (and that I’ve struggled most with in the past) is what my speaking fee is for any given event. This is a more complex question than you might initially think. Why? In the world of conferences and events, there’s a “holy trinity” of value factors that make an event economically valuable: audience, sponsors, speakers. This is something I learned from Jeff Pulver and Chris Brogan.

Audience: the right audience is highly valuable to sponsors. A crowd of people you can’t sell to isn’t all that helpful. Speakers bring in audience.

Sponsors: the right sponsors can afford to make an event happen. Without sponsors, you can’t make an event big and bold enough to stand out and attract speakers and audience. Audience brings in sponsors.

Speakers: the right speakers can lure audience and sponsors who want to be associated with or see recognizable people on stage. Speakers (and the knowledge they share) are arguably one of the most important factors for an audience to decide whether to attend or not.

Having good speakers can attract audience, and thus be able to attract high paying sponsors. It’s fairly difficult trying to attract the audience without the speakers (who provide the content) and it’s really difficult trying to attract the sponsors without the audience!

As you can see from the trinity, the role of the speaker is to lure people with knowledge or entertainment value. That’s the value that I and many others provide. The next logical question is, what’s the monetary number on that value? From a pure revenue perspective, let’s say that a conference looks like this:

  • 300 attendees at $300 each to attend: $90,000
  • 10 sponsors at $10,000 each to sponsor: $100,000
  • 10 ad sales at $5,000 each to advertise: $50,000

Now let’s say there are 15 speakers at this event, each speaking once to the entire audience. Each speaker’s content is responsible for attracting the audience which in turn attracts the sponsors. Thus, each speaker is responsible for generating $6,000 ($90,000/15) of value to the event. That’s about the cap, the ceiling of what you can reasonably ask for as a speaker in this example, because the profit from sponsorships/ad sales is directly dependent on the event’s sales team and not you, and they are solely entitled to that profit for their work.

Obviously, there are many mitigating factors in this equation. For example, say there’s a keynote speaker, 10 time slots, and 5 tracks, and you’re speaking on one of the tracks. There are a total of 11 places that a paying audience member can be at any given time (keynote + 10 sessions), making an audience member worth $8,181 per timeslot ($90,000/11). You and the four other people that audience member could be seeing at that same time split the $8,181 five ways, making that track speaker worth $1,636 of generated value, while the keynote speaker is responsible for generating the full $8,181 for that slot.

Another mitigating factor is how much additional work you provide as a speaker. If you just show up, speak, and flee, you’re entitled only to a share of the value of the event above. If you promote the event heavily to your audience, pimping it left and right to anyone who will listen, stay for the entire event so attendees can chat with you before and after you speak, then it’s more than reasonable to add on fees for service above and beyond just the economic value of your knowledge being present at the event.

Why go through this much math? Why not just pick a number out of a hat or compare yourself to someone else of relatively equal knowledge and status and copy their fee? The reason I choose to go with this absurdly elaborate formula is that it’s straightforward to explain to a conference organizer when you suggest your fee to them. You know what your knowledge and ability is generating in terms of value, and you’re asking for a representative share of that value. It’s equally fair to the conference organizer; if you’re asking for above the ceiling for your fee, you need to justify the additional work you’ll do on behalf of the conference.

Even more important, doing this exercise for conferences also gives you an idea of how to evaluate your relative worth to any one attendee. In the example above, as one of 15 speakers to 300 people for $300, each audience member is effectively paying $20 to see you. If the knowledge you’re sharing can be sold directly to the audience in the form of a paid webinar, book, or other mass medium, you know the fair economic value of that knowledge, what the market has paid or will pay for it. You can then price those goods accordingly.

What about the expenses of the conference? In the above example, the gross revenue is $240,000. Let’s say that each attendee costs the event $150 to host, from food to A/V to venue cost, for a total of $45,000. Speaker costs would be $90,000 (the attendee share). That leaves a net profit for the event of $105,000, not too terribly bad. If a conference organizer wanted to charge more for attendees to cover more costs, it’d be fairly straightforward to explain to speakers that the event had allocated $150 per attendee for speaking costs, making each speaker’s share $10 per attendee.

For example, if you’ve done the math above and established that your value is approximately $20 per attendee and the conference is offering $10 per attendee to speakers, it’s then your decision as a speaker to accept or decline that rate. Remember that you always have the power to say “no, but thank you for thinking of me”.

I hope this long, convoluted, extremely math-y explanation of how to set your speaking fee is useful and helpful to you if you’re considering a speaking career. For conference organizers, while I’ve run plenty of events (even paid ones), I’ve not run a professional conference series in which speakers were paid, so I would love to hear from professional conference organizers how this math would fit into your planning!


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  • http://ariherzog.com/ Ari Herzog

    I once asked this question in 2008ish to Chris Brogan. His response was simple, and he said he learned the formula from Guy Kawasaki: Add a zero to the end of whatever fee you were considering.

    • http://socialmediaexplorer.com JasonFalls

      I’m guessing there’s a limited pool of opportunity there for 99.9 percent of the population using that math. If anyone but a Kawasaki, Godin, etc., in our industry added a zero to what they were thinking, they’d get laughed out of the room. I’ve heard some speakers ask for $50K, $75K, even $30K. You’d be hard pressed to convince me that unless they’re the ONLY speaker at a 5,000+ person event where each participant pays $1000 to get in, that anyone is worth that for an hour talk.

      • http://www.purplestripe.com/ LynetteRadio

        It depends on what industry you are looking at also. While I speak at social media type conferences for free, I can’t any longer – at least not when they refuse to cover expenses. OUTSIDE this fishbowl, industries pay well for qualified, experienced and personable speakers. My fees outside of social media are $10k (which is really a workshop), and professional friends of mine routinely get $25k. I’m lowballed even outside my ‘home field’. Granted, we are teaching workshops and the like, not just “gracing the stage” for 45 + 15 for questions.

  • http://socialmediaexplorer.com JasonFalls

    Well, this is certainly an interesting take on it, though certainly a bit slanted toward the speaker side of the aisle, as I’m sure you know. (Why you asked for conference organizers to chime in, I’m sure.)

    Since I’ve run a fair amount of events, I’ll offer these additional thoughts:

    1. Events cost far more than anyone thinks.
    2. If an event breaks even and the organizer hasn’t paid him or herself a salary or compensated themselves for their time, it hasn’t broken even.
    3. You never considered the value of the opportunity to the speaker. If you can walk away with thought leadership, leads, sales (product, service or book), etc., then there needs to be a value consideration.
    4. There are far too many good speakers out there who do value the opportunity to speak and will not ask for any fee to fill a roster of good talent. If you charge, you’re going to have to accept that you will get far fewer opportunities. If you charge, you had better be able to illustrate that you will put butts in seats to the organizer. If not, I can get similar content with perhaps a slightly lesser known name for nothing, sometimes not even travel expenses.
    5. No conference anywhere in the world would pay all speakers equally because all speakers are not equal. Your math is awesome in theory, but it’s not practical.

    I’ve been on both sides of the aisle, and am regularly. I do not speak for free. I have a standard fee, plus travel. I have to be somewhat flexible with that fee depending upon the size of the event. I was once given a fee requirement of $15,000 for someone to speak at Explore, which has numbers somewhat similar to your example above in terms of gross revenue. I can assure you that one speaker at $15K would have bankrupted the effort. So flexibility is requisite and understanding as a speaker that not all events are created equal will help you stay booked.

    That said, I could not afford myself at my own events. This is largely because my event series is young and we haven’t yet fine-tuned the product to make it optimally profitable. I do not have a policy about paying speakers other than if you are coming to my event to help put money in my pocket, I will absolutely cover your travel. Don’t get me wrong — I *WANT* to pay all my speakers. But if I paid everyone who spoke or paneled at Explore $500, I’d be running at about a $5-10K deficit for each event. I can assure you very few speakers ask for $500. I’m already paying around $750 per speaker in travel expenses. Do the math … ain’t easy. And can you fathom I’ve had conferences tell me they want me to speak but won’t pay my travel? I’m supposed to put money in your pocket on my own dime? Sorry. That math doesn’t work.

    Fortunately for me, I have value-minded friends who are willing to speak for free or, for certain keynote type speakers, at a reduced rate, to help me build something. There is value in the karmic activity, I suppose. And I know I am infinitely lucky to have people like this in my network and who are so generous with their time and energies for me.

    Unfortunately, the economics of events are incredibly prohibitive to pay every speaker or even use the kind of math you’re suggesting to assess the value of a speaker. Nothing wrong with the exercise, of course, but for your 300-person event above, your net profit (after paying organizer salaries and everything) is going to be about $30-$40K. Divide that among 15-20 speakers at the math you’re suggesting and your event is running a deficit again. Oh, and it wasn’t profitable beyond expenses.

    Just my two cents without a calculator.

    • http://www.ChristopherSPenn.com Christopher S. Penn

      Thanks, Jason – I appreciate the real feedback. Here’s the $64,000 question then – how do you go about valuing the audience when you’re on the speaker side, and how do you present that value to the speaker on the conference side? Obviously, when it comes to stuff like marketing your book, you have the raw profit for book sales (and making your publisher, should you have one, very happy), but if you’re not hawking product, what’s the math on audience value?

      That part of the equation could considerably adjust the math above. For example, I’ve been exceptionally flexible myself when the audience directly benefits my employer and I can see that one or two sales opportunities would easily pay a speaking fee 10x over, but for folks not marketing an enterprise product that costs thousands of dollars, how do we help them determine audience value?

      And you’re right, this is slanted towards the speaker. When I someday run a conference that has paid speakers, I’ll be more qualified to talk about the other side. Right now it’d be all theoretical.

      • http://my168project.com/ Matches Malone

        Aren’t we all at some point, ‘hawking product’ as you say? With all the world being a stage as it were, aren’t we, merely the players, producing our own sales piece? As someone that wants to get into the speaker game, I can tell you if you can put me up at an Embassy Suite for the length of the conference, I’m there, and I can give you anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes of dynamite entertainment. More if necessary. But then, you’d have to put me on a panel ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268295052 Peter A Vandever

      I think alot depends if I can sale my products too. As a Web Developer, if I walk away with 10 new leads for projects, that makes up for the fee I forego.

      If a host demanded I do no promotion of my own services or the charity work I do in the Islands, it would be a no go.

  • Craig Griffiths

    I was once told by a friend that specialises in pricing, FREE is not a pricing strategy.