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	<title>Comments on: On PodCamp, Epic Parties, and Brand in Flames</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good suggestions - we&#039;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good suggestions &#8211; we&#39;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7451</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good suggestions - we&#039;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good suggestions &#8211; we&#39;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Blatt</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-2324</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no need to have a completely open bar. It would cost much less overall and satisfy just as many people to cover just wine and beer or those two and well drinks. Or institute drink tickets. Everyone gets two drinks and that&#039;s all. Then the system is fair and you know in advance how much it costs. Options exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s no need to have a completely open bar. It would cost much less overall and satisfy just as many people to cover just wine and beer or those two and well drinks. Or institute drink tickets. Everyone gets two drinks and that&#39;s all. Then the system is fair and you know in advance how much it costs. Options exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Blatt</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7450</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no need to have a completely open bar. It would cost much less overall and satisfy just as many people to cover just wine and beer or those two and well drinks. Or institute drink tickets. Everyone gets two drinks and that&#039;s all. Then the system is fair and you know in advance how much it costs. Options exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s no need to have a completely open bar. It would cost much less overall and satisfy just as many people to cover just wine and beer or those two and well drinks. Or institute drink tickets. Everyone gets two drinks and that&#39;s all. Then the system is fair and you know in advance how much it costs. Options exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good suggestions - we&#039;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good suggestions &#8211; we&#39;ll definitely add them to the feedback for next year &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Boccio</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7441</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Boccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things to ponder. I sense a blog post of my own coming along. Personally I prefer a more loose, lightweight conference. The venue matters little to me, all I need is power, wifi (hard to find I know), and a place to meet and mingle. But I do want it to be as easy as possible to connect with friends AND strangers, so incentives to get us all in one place are important (and free pens and t-shirts are not incentives.) While PodCamps are about sharing knowledge, they&#039;re also about making real life connections with people we&#039;ve only met online, and people we haven&#039;t met yet but really should.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile Whitney you and the other PodCamp organizers might want to have a listen to the Push My Follow episode recorded at PCB3. Lots of feedback there. &lt;a href=&quot;http://pushmyfollow.com/2008/07/episode-11/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pushmyfollow.com/2008/07/episode-11/&lt;/a&gt; (not spamming, it&#039;s really great stuff even if I wasn&#039;t there ;).)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things to ponder. I sense a blog post of my own coming along. Personally I prefer a more loose, lightweight conference. The venue matters little to me, all I need is power, wifi (hard to find I know), and a place to meet and mingle. But I do want it to be as easy as possible to connect with friends AND strangers, so incentives to get us all in one place are important (and free pens and t-shirts are not incentives.) While PodCamps are about sharing knowledge, they&#39;re also about making real life connections with people we&#39;ve only met online, and people we haven&#39;t met yet but really should.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Whitney you and the other PodCamp organizers might want to have a listen to the Push My Follow episode recorded at PCB3. Lots of feedback there. <a href="http://pushmyfollow.com/2008/07/episode-11/" rel="nofollow">http://pushmyfollow.com/2008/07/episode-11/</a> (not spamming, it&#39;s really great stuff even if I wasn&#39;t there <img src='http://www.christopherspenn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .)</p>
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		<title>By: tibbon</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7439</link>
		<dc:creator>tibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make really good points here. I&#039;d much rather it be known as something useful more than just a giant party. I guess I always seek out a party (Tech Cocktail tonight! w00t!) but there do need to be some professionalish things out there too. I mean by no means was it a stuffy O&#039;Reily conference that everyone paid $3,500 to get into, and it really was fun. I think i&#039;ve done a good job at striking a balance. I&#039;m going to pass along some of these notes of conversation to my friends who ran ROFLCon and who are considering running another one. It&#039;s one thing to try to balance something about a serious subject, but its simply insane to try to figure out the balance when you&#039;re talking about 4Chan and LOLCatz. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again Chris!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make really good points here. I&#39;d much rather it be known as something useful more than just a giant party. I guess I always seek out a party (Tech Cocktail tonight! w00t!) but there do need to be some professionalish things out there too. I mean by no means was it a stuffy O&#39;Reily conference that everyone paid $3,500 to get into, and it really was fun. I think i&#39;ve done a good job at striking a balance. I&#39;m going to pass along some of these notes of conversation to my friends who ran ROFLCon and who are considering running another one. It&#39;s one thing to try to balance something about a serious subject, but its simply insane to try to figure out the balance when you&#39;re talking about 4Chan and LOLCatz. </p>
<p>Thanks again Chris!</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7440</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who may be going to Amazon, the book is Public Assembly Facility Law; I am second author after Turner Madden, my former boss who is chief lobbyist for the International Association of Assembly Managers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a trick in throwing parties and maintaining fun.  We&#039;re looking into (not finalized, so don&#039;t kill me if it doesn&#039;t work out) trying a Geek Bowling Night for Podcamp Philly on Friday Night, followed by a return to Triumph Brewing for Sat Night and if we get sponsors, we&#039;ll look into providing food and the like, but it depends on the finances.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other conferences have evening parties that come with a cover; sometimes the cover goes to charity and the sponsor pays for the party; other times the money goes to pay for prizes and the like.  But these conferences also cost considerably more to attend than Podcamp.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m really curious though- if you were running Podcamp or the conference of your dreams, what would you want the evening events to look like?  What would make you want to attend?  What are your expectations, and why?  Do you want dancing?  Guitar Hero Tournament?  Fancy Dinner?  What would you pay out of pocket for?  And would you pay more for the conference if it also covered the parties?  Because all of this stuff comes at a cost, and as an organizer, if this is what the community wants, it can be had, but the price to come to Podcamp will have to escalate accordingly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the more money Podcamp has to charge to cover expenses, the more it costs to go, and the less and less it resembles the barcamp unconference model, and the more it becomes a conference with a more publicly accessible speaker&#039;s list.  If this is what the community wants, it can be done, but there seem to be just as many people who want the conference to be more lightweight, less prepaid benefits, more organic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You kinda can&#039;t have it all ways- we all have champagne tastes, but you can&#039;t accomplish this on a beer budget.  Please- let us know-  what is your idea of a perfect new media Conference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who may be going to Amazon, the book is Public Assembly Facility Law; I am second author after Turner Madden, my former boss who is chief lobbyist for the International Association of Assembly Managers.</p>
<p>There is a trick in throwing parties and maintaining fun.  We&#39;re looking into (not finalized, so don&#39;t kill me if it doesn&#39;t work out) trying a Geek Bowling Night for Podcamp Philly on Friday Night, followed by a return to Triumph Brewing for Sat Night and if we get sponsors, we&#39;ll look into providing food and the like, but it depends on the finances.</p>
<p>Other conferences have evening parties that come with a cover; sometimes the cover goes to charity and the sponsor pays for the party; other times the money goes to pay for prizes and the like.  But these conferences also cost considerably more to attend than Podcamp.</p>
<p>I&#39;m really curious though- if you were running Podcamp or the conference of your dreams, what would you want the evening events to look like?  What would make you want to attend?  What are your expectations, and why?  Do you want dancing?  Guitar Hero Tournament?  Fancy Dinner?  What would you pay out of pocket for?  And would you pay more for the conference if it also covered the parties?  Because all of this stuff comes at a cost, and as an organizer, if this is what the community wants, it can be had, but the price to come to Podcamp will have to escalate accordingly.</p>
<p>And the more money Podcamp has to charge to cover expenses, the more it costs to go, and the less and less it resembles the barcamp unconference model, and the more it becomes a conference with a more publicly accessible speaker&#39;s list.  If this is what the community wants, it can be done, but there seem to be just as many people who want the conference to be more lightweight, less prepaid benefits, more organic.</p>
<p>You kinda can&#39;t have it all ways- we all have champagne tastes, but you can&#39;t accomplish this on a beer budget.  Please- let us know-  what is your idea of a perfect new media Conference?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7449</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a sense of perspective, we had a 90 minute open bar last year and burned through - I kid you not, $7,500 worth of alcohol for approximately 200 people. I know this because the venue double billed both Jeff and PodCamp, and boy was that fun to straighten out. Did everyone drink $38 of alcohol in 90 minutes? Heck no. But enough people did that liability becomes a real question.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Incentive is excellent feedback and something worth building in. To be perfectly honest, if I had more resources and time, I would have instead gone with a catered Saturday dinner at the venue and then set people free for the evening after that. We might consider that for next year, so that you get fed, you get together with everyone without having to go far, and then people can ad hoc break up without having to rely on social networking tools that not everyone is fluent in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sense of perspective, we had a 90 minute open bar last year and burned through &#8211; I kid you not, $7,500 worth of alcohol for approximately 200 people. I know this because the venue double billed both Jeff and PodCamp, and boy was that fun to straighten out. Did everyone drink $38 of alcohol in 90 minutes? Heck no. But enough people did that liability becomes a real question.</p>
<p>Incentive is excellent feedback and something worth building in. To be perfectly honest, if I had more resources and time, I would have instead gone with a catered Saturday dinner at the venue and then set people free for the evening after that. We might consider that for next year, so that you get fed, you get together with everyone without having to go far, and then people can ad hoc break up without having to rely on social networking tools that not everyone is fluent in.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/07/on-podcamp-epic-parties-and-brand-in-flames/#comment-7443</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, and that&#039;s good feedback for next time. Rather than leave, say, all the prize drawings until the last day, we can space those out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, and that&#39;s good feedback for next time. Rather than leave, say, all the prize drawings until the last day, we can space those out more.</p>
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