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		<title>By: fiscal reality for podcamps &#124; voxmarketising - the audio'connell blog and podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator>fiscal reality for podcamps &#124; voxmarketising - the audio'connell blog and podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brogan and Penn, two of the founders of the original Podcamp event have announced that Podcamp Boston 3 will charge [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you work in the non-profit sector, you know that the biggest item on your budget is salaries; next biggest item is for space (rental+utilities, or maintenance+utilities if you own your own building). This is a basic financial fact of life in the non-profit world. Another basic fact of life is that if you&#039;re a membership organization (i.e., most of your funding comes from member donations as opposed to grants, big donors, corporate sponsorships, etc.) is that it&#039;s difficult to communicate to the membership just how much you have to pay for the space. It&#039;s hard to communicate that although you might be able to run a non-profit on volunteer labor, still someone somehow has to pay for the space -- for even if the office is in someone&#039;s house, that person is paying for utilities like phone line and heating.

From my point of view, as someone who works in a non-profit membership organization, I can see that the fifty bucks for PodCamp Boston is going towards space -- the site + utilities like Internet access, power, etc. But, again speaking as someone from the non-profit world, I can also see that it&#039;s going to be hard to convince some folks that this is reasonable. I know this because at work I hear from people who want to volunteer in lieu of paying cash, and while I&#039;m sympathetic I&#039;m also aware that the utilities bills have to be paid in cash, not in volunteer hours.

The only thing I might suggest is that instead of saying that fifty bucks buys you a &quot;sponsorship,&quot; I would change terminology and say that fifty bucks buys you a &quot;membership.&quot; The membership gives you the tangible benefits of attending PodCamp Boston 3 and being first to be notified for the next PodCamp Boston, and it also gives you the intangible benefits that come with personal identification with a membership organization. This may sound a little silly, but over and over again we have seen how the personal identification with a non-profit entity is in fact a real (albeit intangible) benefit -- that&#039;s why when you fork over your money to public radio, they call you a member and suddenly you feel much better about forking over your money.

My $.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work in the non-profit sector, you know that the biggest item on your budget is salaries; next biggest item is for space (rental+utilities, or maintenance+utilities if you own your own building). This is a basic financial fact of life in the non-profit world. Another basic fact of life is that if you&#8217;re a membership organization (i.e., most of your funding comes from member donations as opposed to grants, big donors, corporate sponsorships, etc.) is that it&#8217;s difficult to communicate to the membership just how much you have to pay for the space. It&#8217;s hard to communicate that although you might be able to run a non-profit on volunteer labor, still someone somehow has to pay for the space &#8212; for even if the office is in someone&#8217;s house, that person is paying for utilities like phone line and heating.</p>
<p>From my point of view, as someone who works in a non-profit membership organization, I can see that the fifty bucks for PodCamp Boston is going towards space &#8212; the site + utilities like Internet access, power, etc. But, again speaking as someone from the non-profit world, I can also see that it&#8217;s going to be hard to convince some folks that this is reasonable. I know this because at work I hear from people who want to volunteer in lieu of paying cash, and while I&#8217;m sympathetic I&#8217;m also aware that the utilities bills have to be paid in cash, not in volunteer hours.</p>
<p>The only thing I might suggest is that instead of saying that fifty bucks buys you a &#8220;sponsorship,&#8221; I would change terminology and say that fifty bucks buys you a &#8220;membership.&#8221; The membership gives you the tangible benefits of attending PodCamp Boston 3 and being first to be notified for the next PodCamp Boston, and it also gives you the intangible benefits that come with personal identification with a membership organization. This may sound a little silly, but over and over again we have seen how the personal identification with a non-profit entity is in fact a real (albeit intangible) benefit &#8212; that&#8217;s why when you fork over your money to public radio, they call you a member and suddenly you feel much better about forking over your money.</p>
<p>My $.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-12937</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you work in the non-profit sector, you know that the biggest item on your budget is salaries; next biggest item is for space (rental+utilities, or maintenance+utilities if you own your own building). This is a basic financial fact of life in the non-profit world. Another basic fact of life is that if you&#039;re a membership organization (i.e., most of your funding comes from member donations as opposed to grants, big donors, corporate sponsorships, etc.) is that it&#039;s difficult to communicate to the membership just how much you have to pay for the space. It&#039;s hard to communicate that although you might be able to run a non-profit on volunteer labor, still someone somehow has to pay for the space -- for even if the office is in someone&#039;s house, that person is paying for utilities like phone line and heating.

From my point of view, as someone who works in a non-profit membership organization, I can see that the fifty bucks for PodCamp Boston is going towards space -- the site + utilities like Internet access, power, etc. But, again speaking as someone from the non-profit world, I can also see that it&#039;s going to be hard to convince some folks that this is reasonable. I know this because at work I hear from people who want to volunteer in lieu of paying cash, and while I&#039;m sympathetic I&#039;m also aware that the utilities bills have to be paid in cash, not in volunteer hours.

The only thing I might suggest is that instead of saying that fifty bucks buys you a &quot;sponsorship,&quot; I would change terminology and say that fifty bucks buys you a &quot;membership.&quot; The membership gives you the tangible benefits of attending PodCamp Boston 3 and being first to be notified for the next PodCamp Boston, and it also gives you the intangible benefits that come with personal identification with a membership organization. This may sound a little silly, but over and over again we have seen how the personal identification with a non-profit entity is in fact a real (albeit intangible) benefit -- that&#039;s why when you fork over your money to public radio, they call you a member and suddenly you feel much better about forking over your money.

My $.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work in the non-profit sector, you know that the biggest item on your budget is salaries; next biggest item is for space (rental+utilities, or maintenance+utilities if you own your own building). This is a basic financial fact of life in the non-profit world. Another basic fact of life is that if you&#8217;re a membership organization (i.e., most of your funding comes from member donations as opposed to grants, big donors, corporate sponsorships, etc.) is that it&#8217;s difficult to communicate to the membership just how much you have to pay for the space. It&#8217;s hard to communicate that although you might be able to run a non-profit on volunteer labor, still someone somehow has to pay for the space &#8212; for even if the office is in someone&#8217;s house, that person is paying for utilities like phone line and heating.</p>
<p>From my point of view, as someone who works in a non-profit membership organization, I can see that the fifty bucks for PodCamp Boston is going towards space &#8212; the site + utilities like Internet access, power, etc. But, again speaking as someone from the non-profit world, I can also see that it&#8217;s going to be hard to convince some folks that this is reasonable. I know this because at work I hear from people who want to volunteer in lieu of paying cash, and while I&#8217;m sympathetic I&#8217;m also aware that the utilities bills have to be paid in cash, not in volunteer hours.</p>
<p>The only thing I might suggest is that instead of saying that fifty bucks buys you a &#8220;sponsorship,&#8221; I would change terminology and say that fifty bucks buys you a &#8220;membership.&#8221; The membership gives you the tangible benefits of attending PodCamp Boston 3 and being first to be notified for the next PodCamp Boston, and it also gives you the intangible benefits that come with personal identification with a membership organization. This may sound a little silly, but over and over again we have seen how the personal identification with a non-profit entity is in fact a real (albeit intangible) benefit &#8212; that&#8217;s why when you fork over your money to public radio, they call you a member and suddenly you feel much better about forking over your money.</p>
<p>My $.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Loopipe</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Loopipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Whitney&#039;s comment:

I agree that Podcamp&#039;s not a right, and I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s wrong to charge for it, or that it&#039;s not worth the admission fee.  I&#039;m just saying that the alternative that Chris presented (go to a free PodCamp in another city if you can&#039;t/don&#039;t want to pay the $50 for PCB3) isn&#039;t a reasonable one if you live locally and the $50 is a hardship for you.   And really, the only people for whom the $50 would be a consideration are locals, because if you&#039;re already paying to travel to/stay in Boston, another $50 isn&#039;t that big of a deal.  I wasn&#039;t commenting on anything but the last paragraph of Chris&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Whitney&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>I agree that Podcamp&#8217;s not a right, and I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s wrong to charge for it, or that it&#8217;s not worth the admission fee.  I&#8217;m just saying that the alternative that Chris presented (go to a free PodCamp in another city if you can&#8217;t/don&#8217;t want to pay the $50 for PCB3) isn&#8217;t a reasonable one if you live locally and the $50 is a hardship for you.   And really, the only people for whom the $50 would be a consideration are locals, because if you&#8217;re already paying to travel to/stay in Boston, another $50 isn&#8217;t that big of a deal.  I wasn&#8217;t commenting on anything but the last paragraph of Chris&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Loopipe</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-12936</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Loopipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Whitney&#039;s comment: 

I agree that Podcamp&#039;s not a right, and I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s wrong to charge for it, or that it&#039;s not worth the admission fee.  I&#039;m just saying that the alternative that Chris presented (go to a free PodCamp in another city if you can&#039;t/don&#039;t want to pay the $50 for PCB3) isn&#039;t a reasonable one if you live locally and the $50 is a hardship for you.   And really, the only people for whom the $50 would be a consideration are locals, because if you&#039;re already paying to travel to/stay in Boston, another $50 isn&#039;t that big of a deal.  I wasn&#039;t commenting on anything but the last paragraph of Chris&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Whitney&#8217;s comment: </p>
<p>I agree that Podcamp&#8217;s not a right, and I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s wrong to charge for it, or that it&#8217;s not worth the admission fee.  I&#8217;m just saying that the alternative that Chris presented (go to a free PodCamp in another city if you can&#8217;t/don&#8217;t want to pay the $50 for PCB3) isn&#8217;t a reasonable one if you live locally and the $50 is a hardship for you.   And really, the only people for whom the $50 would be a consideration are locals, because if you&#8217;re already paying to travel to/stay in Boston, another $50 isn&#8217;t that big of a deal.  I wasn&#8217;t commenting on anything but the last paragraph of Chris&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Moonah from Media Driving</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1861</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Moonah from Media Driving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, all good, I think you know where I stand on all this.  I respect and agree with all the points made here and on Brogan&#039;s blog about the value and work behind any Podcamp, and I understand why this has been done even if I don&#039;t agree with the choice.

I did want to mention one more related thing that I found slightly irksome and frankly a bit confusing when I saw it -- the idea that this is a &quot;sponsorship.&quot; People signing up for Podcamp Boston are not &quot;sponsors&quot; any more than I&#039;m a sponsor of Springsteen or the Leafs when I go to see them.  Sponsorship implies, among other things, that there&#039;s a choice not to pay.  There isn&#039;t.

Let&#039;s call a spade a spade: it&#039;s an admission charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, all good, I think you know where I stand on all this.  I respect and agree with all the points made here and on Brogan&#8217;s blog about the value and work behind any Podcamp, and I understand why this has been done even if I don&#8217;t agree with the choice.</p>
<p>I did want to mention one more related thing that I found slightly irksome and frankly a bit confusing when I saw it &#8212; the idea that this is a &#8220;sponsorship.&#8221; People signing up for Podcamp Boston are not &#8220;sponsors&#8221; any more than I&#8217;m a sponsor of Springsteen or the Leafs when I go to see them.  Sponsorship implies, among other things, that there&#8217;s a choice not to pay.  There isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call a spade a spade: it&#8217;s an admission charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Moonah from Wild Apricot</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-12935</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Moonah from Wild Apricot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, all good, I think you know where I stand on all this.  I respect and agree with all the points made here and on Brogan&#039;s blog about the value and work behind any Podcamp, and I understand why this has been done even if I don&#039;t agree with the choice.

I did want to mention one more related thing that I found slightly irksome and frankly a bit confusing when I saw it -- the idea that this is a &quot;sponsorship.&quot; People signing up for Podcamp Boston are not &quot;sponsors&quot; any more than I&#039;m a sponsor of Springsteen or the Leafs when I go to see them.  Sponsorship implies, among other things, that there&#039;s a choice not to pay.  There isn&#039;t.

Let&#039;s call a spade a spade: it&#039;s an admission charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, all good, I think you know where I stand on all this.  I respect and agree with all the points made here and on Brogan&#8217;s blog about the value and work behind any Podcamp, and I understand why this has been done even if I don&#8217;t agree with the choice.</p>
<p>I did want to mention one more related thing that I found slightly irksome and frankly a bit confusing when I saw it &#8212; the idea that this is a &#8220;sponsorship.&#8221; People signing up for Podcamp Boston are not &#8220;sponsors&#8221; any more than I&#8217;m a sponsor of Springsteen or the Leafs when I go to see them.  Sponsorship implies, among other things, that there&#8217;s a choice not to pay.  There isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call a spade a spade: it&#8217;s an admission charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Podcamp and Pirates &#171; Parent&#8217;s Eye View</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>Podcamp and Pirates &#171; Parent&#8217;s Eye View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attendees with a registration fee of $50 , meant to defray the cost of the venue. I will be helping Chris Penn and Chris Brogan organize Podcamp Boston 3, just as I did with Podcamp Boston 2, even though I live [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attendees with a registration fee of $50 , meant to defray the cost of the venue. I will be helping Chris Penn and Chris Brogan organize Podcamp Boston 3, just as I did with Podcamp Boston 2, even though I live [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to reiterate what Chris said, we did PodCamp because we liked the BarCamp idea, but had our own spin. You can do it, too. Quick rundown of what&#039;s needed:

* Venue - we picked places that had good wifi, were indoors, etc.

* A/V - nice to have, not necessary, but nice to have a screen projector, etc.

* People - yep.

That&#039;s it. Go run events!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reiterate what Chris said, we did PodCamp because we liked the BarCamp idea, but had our own spin. You can do it, too. Quick rundown of what&#8217;s needed:</p>
<p>* Venue &#8211; we picked places that had good wifi, were indoors, etc.</p>
<p>* A/V &#8211; nice to have, not necessary, but nice to have a screen projector, etc.</p>
<p>* People &#8211; yep.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. Go run events!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/why-podcamp-boston-3-asks-you-to-sponsor-it-for-50/#comment-12934</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to reiterate what Chris said, we did PodCamp because we liked the BarCamp idea, but had our own spin. You can do it, too. Quick rundown of what&#039;s needed: 

* Venue - we picked places that had good wifi, were indoors, etc. 

* A/V - nice to have, not necessary, but nice to have a screen projector, etc. 

* People - yep. 

That&#039;s it. Go run events!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reiterate what Chris said, we did PodCamp because we liked the BarCamp idea, but had our own spin. You can do it, too. Quick rundown of what&#8217;s needed: </p>
<p>* Venue &#8211; we picked places that had good wifi, were indoors, etc. </p>
<p>* A/V &#8211; nice to have, not necessary, but nice to have a screen projector, etc. </p>
<p>* People &#8211; yep. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. Go run events!</p>
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