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	<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2641</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren: good question. What would make you come back would logically at least be similar to what made you come here in the first place. Honestly, my personal blog probably isn't the place I'd first send you. I'd send you to something like the Friday episodes of the Financial Aid Podcast, which ALWAYS have free stuff, useful stuff, and silly stuff that's worth at least reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren: good question. What would make you come back would logically at least be similar to what made you come here in the first place. Honestly, my personal blog probably isn&#8217;t the place I&#8217;d first send you. I&#8217;d send you to something like the Friday episodes of the Financial Aid Podcast, which ALWAYS have free stuff, useful stuff, and silly stuff that&#8217;s worth at least reading.</p>
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		<title>By: David Beaudouin</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2640</link>
		<dc:creator>David Beaudouin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!  Sorry I missed this post when you first published it--clued in to it by Brogan. Terrific essay on why radical redesign on the concept of marketing is needed pronto. If you don't mind, I'm passing this around (with full credits) to like-minded pals--thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  Sorry I missed this post when you first published it&#8211;clued in to it by Brogan. Terrific essay on why radical redesign on the concept of marketing is needed pronto. If you don&#8217;t mind, I&#8217;m passing this around (with full credits) to like-minded pals&#8211;thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Metras</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Metras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would that all marketers be as creative and educational as you are Chris. You have taken a major problem,provided information, directed them to your products and done so in a way that solves peoples problems directly. It is no surprise that Twitter and Facebook users rail at the garbage that some marketers throw at them. Gen Y wants solutions that work, not b.s. maketing ploys.
Bravo. Keep up the good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would that all marketers be as creative and educational as you are Chris. You have taken a major problem,provided information, directed them to your products and done so in a way that solves peoples problems directly. It is no surprise that Twitter and Facebook users rail at the garbage that some marketers throw at them. Gen Y wants solutions that work, not b.s. maketing ploys.<br />
Bravo. Keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>By: Tribal Marketing &#171; StickyFigure</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2636</link>
		<dc:creator>Tribal Marketing &#171; StickyFigure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Darren Daz Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2635</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Daz Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about putting your money where your mouth is and give us something more than your sales pitch for 'better marketing practices' here? I like the premise of the article and because of social networking I arrived here but it's still you trying to sell me on something without giving much for "free".

What will make me come back? after all it's the relationship that matters these days right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about putting your money where your mouth is and give us something more than your sales pitch for &#8216;better marketing practices&#8217; here? I like the premise of the article and because of social networking I arrived here but it&#8217;s still you trying to sell me on something without giving much for &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
<p>What will make me come back? after all it&#8217;s the relationship that matters these days right?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2634</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the corporate equivalent of that guy in the bar who smells of equal parts aggression, fear, and desperation"...BINGO!

That's what I think of when I surf marketing, business, and trend websites that are trying to "monetize" social networking sites. They see a big pool of potential customers and they are intensely frustrated that they don't have a piece of the action. They are furiously waving red flags at their colleagues shouting, "Look at all of these people over here!" 

Then I chime in with my idealistic, "If you commercialize social networking (more than it already is), you'll kill it completely. People won't Twitter or MySpace or FaceBook or MeetUp or whatever if they are going to have to fend off marketing pitches or, worse, attempts at viral marketing that are patently obvious. The appeal of these places is that people can connect with others who they share some commonality with (sports, music, industry, high school, etc.). 

Corporations will never create genuine social networks on their own sites that can replicate this. The only exception I can think of is user support sites like Microsoft or other technology discussion boards but the reason most people visit those sites is because their software ISN'T working, not to compliment Microsoft on their fine, fine products. Second Life is commercialized but users can control how deeply they want to get into that virtual world.

It seems like marketers also want to control the message. You put up a Coke Fans bulletin board and there will be as many "Coke sucks" messages as people who like their product. But if you put in a moderating system, it drives people away in droves.

Basically, the day marketers control or influence online social networking (any more than they do), is the day it dies. People will just move on to something else. 

End of rant. I just get a little sick reading marketing blogs that treat the "masses" as merely potential revenue sources. And most people are smart enough now to smell their contempt and stay away from contrived marketing campaigns. I'll step off my soapbox now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the corporate equivalent of that guy in the bar who smells of equal parts aggression, fear, and desperation&#8221;&#8230;BINGO!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think of when I surf marketing, business, and trend websites that are trying to &#8220;monetize&#8221; social networking sites. They see a big pool of potential customers and they are intensely frustrated that they don&#8217;t have a piece of the action. They are furiously waving red flags at their colleagues shouting, &#8220;Look at all of these people over here!&#8221; </p>
<p>Then I chime in with my idealistic, &#8220;If you commercialize social networking (more than it already is), you&#8217;ll kill it completely. People won&#8217;t Twitter or MySpace or FaceBook or MeetUp or whatever if they are going to have to fend off marketing pitches or, worse, attempts at viral marketing that are patently obvious. The appeal of these places is that people can connect with others who they share some commonality with (sports, music, industry, high school, etc.). </p>
<p>Corporations will never create genuine social networks on their own sites that can replicate this. The only exception I can think of is user support sites like Microsoft or other technology discussion boards but the reason most people visit those sites is because their software ISN&#8217;T working, not to compliment Microsoft on their fine, fine products. Second Life is commercialized but users can control how deeply they want to get into that virtual world.</p>
<p>It seems like marketers also want to control the message. You put up a Coke Fans bulletin board and there will be as many &#8220;Coke sucks&#8221; messages as people who like their product. But if you put in a moderating system, it drives people away in droves.</p>
<p>Basically, the day marketers control or influence online social networking (any more than they do), is the day it dies. People will just move on to something else. </p>
<p>End of rant. I just get a little sick reading marketing blogs that treat the &#8220;masses&#8221; as merely potential revenue sources. And most people are smart enough now to smell their contempt and stay away from contrived marketing campaigns. I&#8217;ll step off my soapbox now.</p>
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		<title>By: RedJello</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>RedJello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a former marketer. I am now in sales. Love 'em, or hate 'em, every company needs a marketer to generate revenue. Marketing drives sales. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former marketer. I am now in sales. Love &#8216;em, or hate &#8216;em, every company needs a marketer to generate revenue. Marketing drives sales. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN! 
Short term thinking is one of the biggest problems with not only marketing, but how we measure results. Short-term thinking creates short term results. Listen to the last Managing the Grey. Why was the Ford sponsorship of Manic Mommy's so successful? Because it built relationships. Instead of using an air horn for immediate results, it was a pat on the back and a friendly conversation that built influence for the long-term.

I'm also thinking of ways to expand on a sharing of ideas and insight in my own marketing initiatives. What do I have to offer? What do we as a group of people engaged in what amounts to a commodity product that will bring more people into the fold?

It's always a challenge, and something I know I am and will continually be refining. Thanks for your additional thoughts Chris. You nailed it on the head!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN!<br />
Short term thinking is one of the biggest problems with not only marketing, but how we measure results. Short-term thinking creates short term results. Listen to the last Managing the Grey. Why was the Ford sponsorship of Manic Mommy&#8217;s so successful? Because it built relationships. Instead of using an air horn for immediate results, it was a pat on the back and a friendly conversation that built influence for the long-term.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also thinking of ways to expand on a sharing of ideas and insight in my own marketing initiatives. What do I have to offer? What do we as a group of people engaged in what amounts to a commodity product that will bring more people into the fold?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always a challenge, and something I know I am and will continually be refining. Thanks for your additional thoughts Chris. You nailed it on the head!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mondello</title>
		<link>http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008/04/13/marketing-sucks/#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mondello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I obviously agree that marketing has a branding problem. But then again, I'm not the average consumer. I'm one of those people who refuses to watch TV because of the ads. Yeah, one of those people.

Watching people market themselves on twitter is just testing how much humility one can handle. There are people like Jason Calacanis who boisterously pimp their services left and right, but there are others like Chris Brogan and Laura Fitton who market themselves and their services by being human.

It'll be hard to rebrand marketing due to the jaded people out there, like me. But, I think you're well on your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I obviously agree that marketing has a branding problem. But then again, I&#8217;m not the average consumer. I&#8217;m one of those people who refuses to watch TV because of the ads. Yeah, one of those people.</p>
<p>Watching people market themselves on twitter is just testing how much humility one can handle. There are people like Jason Calacanis who boisterously pimp their services left and right, but there are others like Chris Brogan and Laura Fitton who market themselves and their services by being human.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be hard to rebrand marketing due to the jaded people out there, like me. But, I think you&#8217;re well on your way.</p>
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